Mithril AV-8B's? Impossible

Andrei Burnside · Post by **Andrei Burnside** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:09 pm

The only reason the US doesn't use it (at least, not regularly) is because the military has no need. BDUs and camo paint both fulfill the Good Enough principle.

That's true. The only way I can see as standard issue, is for Urban Warfare, because no kind of camo that US issues currently as standard can hide you in a city, because of the variety of colors and surfaces. Can't break your outline up when you've got a concrete pattern against a brick wall. That's where I see it being better than the current. Other environments don't have as much of an immediate need as UC.

Tanaka Kichigai · Post by **Tanaka Kichigai** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:13 pm

Any environment which defies a definitivie color scheme could use ghost tech. However, when you're fighting in a city, there CAN be two things you didn't mention.
1) A lot of cities that are fought in are reduced so much by bombing, or are already 3rd world cities, so they already have a consistentish color scheme
2) In a lot of UC, you don't need camo, because the covor is better than just brush - ie, you can't see through gaps in the leaves of rubble.

Post by **Taurec** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:29 pm

Watching the anime again .. and i noticed the missing fixed gun pods on the HIND ... i swear when i watched it last year they were still there

Corrected it .. but still the missilepods didn't add up ..

Sgt. Sagara Sousuke · Post by **Sgt. Sagara Sousuke** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:34 pm

@Tau
What episode is it?

I think hinds can b fitted with missiles on the wings...

Post by **Taurec** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:37 pm

Episode 1

Well in the anime they used a closed missile pod .. the rusians don't have
closed wire guided missile pods (for use on helicopters)
atleast i couldn't find it ..

pick one ... i couldn't find pics the the ones that could be it ...

AT-1 Snapper <- Wire / No tube
AT-2 Swatter <- IR / Radio / no tube
AT-3 Sagger <- Wire / but no tube
AT-4 Spigot <- Tube but not for choppers
AT-5 Spandrel <- Tube but not for choppers
AT-6 Spiral <- Radio
AT-8 Songster <- Shot from a T80?
AT-9 Ataka <- Radio / Laser
AT-10 Stabber <- Laser
AT-11 Sniper <- Laser
AT-12 Swinger <- shot from a T62
AT-13 Metis-M / AT-7 Saxhorn <- Wire .. but not known for use on Choppers
AT-14 Kornet <- Laser
AT-15 Khrizantema <- Laser / Radar
AT-16 Vikhr <- Laser

laser: means the guidence system

Tanaka Kichigai · Post by **Tanaka Kichigai** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:40 pm

I was about to say...no wired closed missile pods? But then you added "for use on helis"

Sgt. Sagara Sousuke · Post by **Sgt. Sagara Sousuke** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:42 pm

Which episode are you refering to? Hinds appear on multiple episodes. I just wann check...

Post by **Taurec** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:53 pm

Well i was looking at EP1 just now ...

Sgt. Sagara Sousuke · Post by **Sgt. Sagara Sousuke** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:55 pm

Well, I hv here 2 pics of the hind from mission 10.
Hind 1
Hind 2

Maybe I'm wrong but from 'Hind 2', they don't look like they hv wire-closed missile pods...

Post by **Taurec** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:02 pm

very hard to see on #2 .. but #1 has pods for sure ..

Sgt. Sagara Sousuke · Post by **Sgt. Sagara Sousuke** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:04 pm

Really?
My eyesight must b getting worse.
Well, sorry then. My bad...

terran empire · Post by **terran empire** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:14 pm

hay remember that the hind helicopter has been around since the seventies and comes in a multitude of variations it may be a special version

Teletha Testarosa · Post by **Teletha Testarosa** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:19 pm

Don't forget peoples, this is anime.

I doubt that the producers will flip through books about heliocopters to get info.

terran empire · Post by **terran empire** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:45 pm

well sorry we nit pickers bug you your royal hinny

Andrei Burnside · Post by **Andrei Burnside** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:56 pm

The pod on one looked like a Zuni rocket pod, only it Zunis are American.

Likely it's one of one rocket pods used on the E. Because the aircraft is shown at night/dusk it's most likely an E. D versions are primarily daytime choppers. E models have been upgraded for nighttime.

E: 2-4 - 80-mm S-8 rocket pods (20 ea.)

Or it could be an Air to Air missile, because the outer surface of the wings has the AA Missiles. But really if you look at the front of that Hind, it doesn't have the bublous avionics that you see near the cannons on any of the models recognized today.