Kurz and Melissa?

Andrei Burnside · Post by **Andrei Burnside** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:56 am

As unlikely as that seems you gotta look to see that this goes beyond simple squad cadamarie. See if you guys can keep up.

Tokyo: Melissa complains to him like a girlfriend would to a boyfriend about the price of crab. Then comes the obvious "Are you Listening?". The beer on his head? Very friendly. Melissa gets Jealous when Kurz is flirting with Kaname and Kyouko. Why? It's not she's involved with him is it? *wink wink*

Khanka: Kurz's location is unknown. Melissa begins to freak out. Normal so far? Right. But when they find the wreckage, Melissa wants to look to see if the Lecherous German is alive. She protests Kalinin's order to pull out. Vehemently. When they fire on the wreckage, she screams "Don't!" It isn't suited to a squadmate, It's suited to someone you love. It goes all silent as his AS is blown up. Like in movies when the hero's love interest is killed. She accuses Kalinin about being heartless and puts extra emphasis that her men are out there. It's clear she views Sousuke as a younger brother. But the possesive has double meanings.

Tokyo: Kurz lets his emotions get waaayyy outta hand here. He recovers pretty quickly but his cry for Melissa is pretty worried. Even for Kurz. It's a harsh bellow.

Merida Island. They're Drinking Buddies. You don't become a drinking buddy unless you trust them complicitly. Kurz takes Melissa's side and tries to prevent her from loosing (Why I'll never know...).

TDD-1. Notice they came to briefing together? Something about a Taxi? Lame excuse. Kurz said early on that he would have her desiring him sooner or later. Simple Lust? Could Be, but she didn't clock him for that. She saves his ass in a very nonchalant way. She's practically naked, and she could bloody care less, even though she knows he's a perv. He wishes he had a camera. I wish he could said what he really wanted. Then she just parks it next to him. She's comfortable around him.

Sciliy. Great M&K moment dere. In the novels. He hugs her shoulders and she relaxes, feeling at ease, wanting to drift away. She likes it. However, she realizes it's a mission and clocks him. To create a little distance.

She's worried about modesty. Now really, only chicks are in the early stages of liking guys, worry about modesty. It didn't help she had no underwear on under that dress...She knew Sergeant Lecherous would want to take advantage, but she worries about modesty first. Eh?

Right. I pursue this theory in my Fanfic. Ruckus in Munic. Soon to be posted in the fanwork section. Soon.

Sgt. Sagara Sousuke · Post by **Sgt. Sagara Sousuke** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:24 am

maybe, but doesn't kurz alredi hv a girlfriend?

Professionality. Kurz wasn't suppose to reveal himself to the target... Melisa as the leader must feel that her subordinate are not performing up to the standards.

Khanka: Kurz is her subordinate. Since they've work together for a year++, she won't want to see a friend get blown to smitherins...

Tokyo: ermm... U win this one..

Merida Island: Tessa's got Sousuke's guidance. So, it's only fair for Kurz to side Melissa? Then again, Melissa didn't need anymore guidance especially from Kurz...

Tdd-1: He prob wanted a pic of her like tat for leverage...

Sicily: No comment...

RussianFox · Post by **RussianFox** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:26 am

he's german?!?!?

cough- and yah, there might be something there between 'em.

Andrei Burnside · Post by **Andrei Burnside** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:31 am

Yes and No. He does. However she's in some hospital suffering from some unknown illness that we have no idea is. He's is mithril because of her, but I think that relationship has become a little strained neh?

Khanka. One year they've been together. That's it.

It may have been unprofessional but her choice of words was echoed that..."That Bastard." Right?

Merida: Drinking Buddies?

TDD-1: Yes and No. Yes obviously. But he didn't do anything about it.

Sgt. Sagara Sousuke · Post by **Sgt. Sagara Sousuke** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:37 am

Umm.. yea. i get ur point.

Melida Island: U said sumthin about 'Kurz takes Melissa's side and tries to prevent her from loosing'

I assume loosing is losing the AS battle?

Kelek · Post by **Kelek** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:38 am

Hey, most of those are good points.

But about the one you put where Kurz and Melissa are late to the meeting where they're discussing Venom and he says, "We made the taxi go fast," I'm pretty sure they're on the Tuatha de Danaan. So unless it's some very high-tech, underwater taxi...

Teletha Testarosa · Post by **Teletha Testarosa** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:47 am

Yes, now that u mention it.. hmmm

Andrei Burnside · Post by **Andrei Burnside** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:30 am

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Kelek · Post by **Kelek** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:54 am

I'm not sure, but I heard Kurz's distant 'girlfriend' is really his sister or some relative.

Jae · Post by **Jae** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:01 am

Taxi- Kurtz was making a lame joke of his usual sort.

Did that mean he was 'together' with Melissa? Uh, can't deny it, but neither of them are exactly the most formal and prompt type of soldier.
Didn't it say somewhere Melissa had been dishonorably discharged from the Marines? She's great on the battlefield, but not the most uptight, falling-in-formation type, and Kurtz is the same.

It is possible that if they were late for innocent reasons, that he might have made a lewd joke about the two of them, and the fact that he opted for an 'innocent' joke suggests he was attempting to deflect thoughts away from reality. But perhaps they were doing something else they weren't supposed to be doing, like drinking. Enter the lame joke- don't get anything thinking about what they might possibly have been doing.

I don't see anything strange about Melissa's unprofessional name calling- for example Melissa's relationship with Tessa is quite unprofessional. A woman, particular a strong minded, hard headed woman like Melissa, can call a guy 'bastard' and all sort of names without meaning it, and she doesn't necessarily have to love him to do so.

A woman and a man who are not romantic can also be drinking buddies. Explicit trust doesn't require romance, in fact, if the lines are clearly drawn and understood that there is love but no love-love and no sexual tension, trust can be even greater.

And back to Melissa, she's an anti-woman woman. She swears, she slams down beers, she fights. I think it's not easy to map her behavior based on female stereotypes, since her very personality is about breaking them. She's a guy's gal, and love can really mess up a great buddy-buddy guy-gal relationship.

I don't know much about Kurtz's personal side story, but I recall reading that he's extremely dedicated to his girl and is in Mithril to earn money for her. Kurtz is a good guy, all innocent lewedness aside, and I'm sure Melissa knows that and trusts him, just as she trusts and cares for Sousuke.

Note, I don't really know if they are or aren't involved, some of the things you said were interesting, but none of it is absloute. I guess I just don't see them getting it on in secret but I supposed it could be happening. I just don't think Mel's behavior quite squares with it for it to feel right for me. And I say that from the perspective of a strong minded, hard headed woman who's had many more buddy-buddies than boyfriends.

Andrei Burnside · Post by **Andrei Burnside** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:18 am

If someone is gonna rip apart your theory, who better than the Mod eh? Ouch. *PWNED is stamped across his forehead*

Nothing was wrong with her name calling, however the circumstance which was when he was flirting with Kaname and Kyouko. I though she put enough vehemence into that name, which was more than normal. He did have a point. Easiest way to guard someone is to be close to them.

He's in Mithril to get his Girlfriend out of whatever illness ails her. It's the reason he's broke all of the time. His paycheck goes to his GF. Considering his age (around 19/20), I'd say it's serious enough. But the strain on that relationship must be huge. Why wait for your boyfriend to come back on leave, when you can have that handsome doctor? It's typical with girlfriends of servicemen now. Was less so in earlier times.

Yes. Melissa was dishonorably discharged. But you don't get one for not being rank and file. You get something like that for an ethical or command error. Ie; taking bribes, or losing your squad due to command error. DDs are very severe. You'd get citations but nothing like a DD for being a typical sergeant/NCO.

Right. It could be slanted either way. There's more evidence that's it's Just buddy buddy, but with the Physical violence thrown in...It reminds me of Sousuke and Kaname. Veeerry Similar. My fic sorta detours around the girlfriend part...

As soon as the finish the next set of chapters, my reasoning might seem to make more sense. Then again, I'm taking this slow for a bloody reason.

Jae · Post by **Jae** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:46 am

Heh, well, yeah I also do suppose it could go either way, but... if you want to consider the parallels between the two couples they could be showing us something different. Just a thereotical discussion here

S and K act in denial, working against each other, girl-on-guy violence

... but they're pretty young and at that ideal teenage-love age. First timers, all around, and never having gotten into any sort of routine or relationship habits- they have a great opportunity to learn together and form long-lasting habits and trust.

But.. just as that Zaidou kid was Sousuke's opposite, showing how Sousuke could have turned out, we possibly have M and K, demonstrating basically the adult children thing. Similar behaviors. Too immature for their ages, too set in their individual ways, constantly grating on each other without that fabulous spark that exists between S and K.
Love, yes, but Love? Maybe they are showing why S and K need to figure out their business quick, before they stop sparking and start grating.

Course, what I said here isn't really a serious argument, just an alternate thought. Now that you mention it, FMP does feature quite a few opposing characters and pairings. Sousuke/Kaname. Kaname/Tessa. Sousuke/Kurtz. Sousuke/Leonard. Sousuke/Zaido? (arg). Melissa/Tessa. Kalinin/Mardukas. Kalinin/Gauron. They're all dramatic opposites in some manner, and there are even more .....

And fics... whee.. more fics. I don't buy the 'fics gotta be cannon' thing. Fics are for writing what you want, no matter what cannon is. Some readers might not like it, but hey... it's the law around these here parts

*adds another notch*

Kelek · Post by **Kelek** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:29 pm

I think that K/M is a possibility (and like the idea) but do not think they're already together or 'fooling around' currently. They are close friends (not exactly best, but close) and do care about each other but most of the interaction we see doesn't build on their relationship, but rather, the plot's development, so there's not enough evidence of anything between or enough to show what they're really like with each other. For example, they always cut off 'trivial' scenes with Kurz and Melissa in them while they finish scenes with Sousuke and Kaname and leave a nice or concluded feel to it. There isn't enough dialogue or time with other characters and so it's harder to see what their characters are really like. So we have to guess or assume that they don't like each other/don't have a thing going on because it wouldn't be important to the plot. I think they're both kind of attracted to each other and it's probably grown (really, really) slowly so far. For instance, if you put someone else in the place of Kurz or Melissa in some scenes, it wouldn't be the same and wouldn't have the hint of possible romance. For instance, where she kills Gwen and wanders into Kurz's view all drugged, I don't think it'd be the same if it were Sousuke or some other male friend she's just saved. Would she still not care that she was half-naked if it was someone else there? Would the 'someone else' hold her protectively after the explosion by the ship? This isn't really good basis for evidence, but does it give a hint of what they really feel for each other? In the FMP novel, in Sicily, where they're at the mansion and Kurz hugs her, she likes it and would like to stay like that, but of course the mission comes first. She probably doesn't want to admit that she sort of likes someone she's put down so often too, because it'd look bad for her as an officer. They both don't really try at developing or improving their relationship either, because, as I said, the job comes first. I think it's not a serious thing and that they're just close friends but have the chance to improve on their relationship, even though, as Jae said, it might ruin it too.

Post by **Taurec** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:11 pm

Crab seems to have a special meaning besides it was more of a whine since, hey it's the military grunt food sucks, and civiefood is heaven.

I really don't buy the jealous part .. she's more like a "evil" big sister .. using her selftaught ways of correcting him. <grin>

One of the goals of special ops mil. training is the bonding aspect
You life, eat, fight and die together. You need to trust each other unconditionally.
It's quite nomal that all members are very good friends, it increases efficiency.
She was their superior in that unit they are HER men.

Andrei Burnside · Post by **Andrei Burnside** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 2:56 pm

I'm going to refute those points!
1. True
2. True
3. True
4. True
5. True
6. True

Oh damn. I lose. What a suprise. I got OWNZED.

I've got 3 words to say about your points. I knew that.

I do however, understand those points perfectly. All Valid. All correct. However can't I even post evidence for my "delusion" before you people rip it apart! You didn't say anything about Sciliy...MUAHAHAHAHA. Ha.