FMP: Continuing On My Own Discussion *Spoilers*

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I don't know...to me it doesn't really seem like her "whispered" side is taking over so much as she is just hysterical. Her best friend has a bomb strapped to her chest because of her. Kaname's basically looking to blame anyone else but herself with the way she acts b/c she really knows that it's her fault.
errrrr ARX-8? wth?? the text i read does not have that part with wraith's conversation with the mysterious person, it ends after chidori wakes up in tears and then hands over some new report/analysis about a new type behemoth that she is supposedly helping amedem or whatever with
Although this probably shouldn't be in this forum:
There are often changes made to the story when the novel is released as a compiled book. I read several comments about how there were some significant changes to this one. I have read the magazines, but I haven't read the novel yet, so I can't say what the changes are, but it does seem that a bit was added to the end from the summary I read.
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sj4iy wrote:I don't know...to me it doesn't really seem like her "whispered" side is taking over so much as she is just hysterical. Her best friend has a bomb strapped to her chest because of her. Kaname's basically looking to blame anyone else but herself with the way she acts b/c she really knows that it's her fault.
Seems kind of out of character for her to act that way on her own. But this story's had a bunch of strange choices in characterization. In any case, I guess we'll find out sooner or later.

I do like the way that gown looks on Kaname on the cover of BOMF though. :-D

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I do like the way that gown looks on Kaname on the cover of BOMF though.
Have to say, I've always loved the cargo pants look myself :)

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Yeah, Sousuke looks pretty hot too. Nice muscles. :love:

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Random musings on the "fish out of water" theme of FMP... very mild spoilers for BOMF.

We (or at least, I) commonly perceive FMP to be about Sousuke's inability to fit into a civilian life, with Kaname and Jindai defining normal. However, as we can see from ODBD onwards, Kaname herself is equally out of place in the military world. So why doesn't Shouji Gatou write more about the flip side of things?

War isn't funny. (Duh.) Put Sousuke in a civilian life, and he'll survive with a few bruises. He's escaped prison time so far, right? Put Kaname in a war zone, though, and expect death or at least a nervous breakdown in 10 minutes. It's probably a miracle that she's still alive now, after 3 or 4 hostage situations - actually, come to think about it, the main reason she's not dead yet is because the bad guys specifically want her alive. (Okay, except for that one bit in ODBD/TSR where she fools Wraith and one assassin. That was definitely a miracle. :-P )

And therein lies the problem. Since having Kaname as a hostage is probably the best way to keep her alive, short of writing out any military conflict, she'll probably get
1.) Typecast as a damsel in distress
2.) Less exposure (refer to BOMF, the Wind in the Homeland arc of Season 1, and the whole TSR deal)
3.) Flak from people who forget that normal civilians in similar situations would freak out just as badly.

If they actually do animate these subsequent arcs, I can see Kaname's fanbase decreasing in exchange for Tessa's, who, by virtue of the fact that she started off as a loveable klutz and subsequently grew a spine (no offence intended) in ODBD and beyond, automatically scores points for becoming someone kickass.

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I agree. Already my opinions on Tessa have been increasing progressively since the end of A Dancing Very Merry Christmas, and while I still have liked Kaname just as much as initially (if not more so), I can readily see my interest in her decreasing over the next couple of novels.
There seems to be enough evidence to suggest that she is indeed, so much out of her element at this point, that her fiery spirit and fierce pride will be broken in a devestating way. That fiery personality is what I think a lot of fans appreciate about Kaname. I myself like that quality about her. To see her reduced to a "damsel in distress" or a "broken spirit" will inadvertantly cause me to lose some interest in her as a characer, even though I know her reactions to the situations are all completely appropriate and realistic.
Meanwhile, Tessa will continue to grow higher in my opinion because her true abilities and natural charisma will start to really shine.
I can only hope that Kaname will at least retain enough of her normal personality that we can still associate her with the Kaname we grew to love.
In the end, I think most fans will still retain the steadfast loyalty to her character that she earned over the course of many novels/anime seasons. Memory of her normal personality will probably be what sustains us.
Of course, I have no idea how much the upcoming (and current) events will change her, so maybe I am making too many assumptions. But yeah.. that's my two cents.

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In future novels, I would personally like to see Kaname grow stronger as an individual. Like somehow, she'll find a way to escape Leonard on her own but instead of returning to Tokyo or Sousuke, she'll be so traumatized she goes into hiding. Completely on her own, she not only learns to depend on herself but to become someone who can truly protect the people she cares for instead of going through a total meltdown.
Either that, or I wanna see Kaname get brainwashed and become this total BadAss! sai-weilding senshi who Sousuke is forced to fight. I would love to see how a scene like that would play out. But of course, she goes back to normal eventually.
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That second idea of Kaname becoming some brain-washed-badass fighter would be uh...interesting, but somehow I have a feeling that Gatoh is not going to take that route in his novels.
The good news is, you could always make that the premise of a fanfiction. :lol:

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Gunner wrote:I agree. Already my opinions on Tessa have been increasing progressively since the end of A Dancing Very Merry Christmas, and while I still have liked Kaname just as much as initially (if not more so), I can readily see my interest in her decreasing over the next couple of novels.
There seems to be enough evidence to suggest that she is indeed, so much out of her element at this point, that her fiery spirit and fierce pride will be broken in a devestating way. That fiery personality is what I think a lot of fans appreciate about Kaname. I myself like that quality about her. To see her reduced to a "damsel in distress" or a "broken spirit" will inadvertantly cause me to lose some interest in her as a characer, even though I know her reactions to the situations are all completely appropriate and realistic.
Meanwhile, Tessa will continue to grow higher in my opinion because her true abilities and natural charisma will start to really shine.
I can only hope that Kaname will at least retain enough of her normal personality that we can still associate her with the Kaname we grew to love.
In the end, I think most fans will still retain the steadfast loyalty to her character that she earned over the course of many novels/anime seasons. Memory of her normal personality will probably be what sustains us.
Of course, I have no idea how much the upcoming (and current) events will change her, so maybe I am making too many assumptions. But yeah.. that's my two cents.
I don't think the more devoted fans would lose interest in Kaname even if she were put in a "broken spirit" or "damsel in distress" role. First off, I don't think it'd be permanant. I think it's perfectly human to lose hope when the problems that face you become too great. Right now, Sousuke's pushing on because of the strength that he got from her and over the next few novels, I expect he'll continue to do so. If anything, I think that Kaname's character is falling apart makes her a more sympathetic character. I mean, what remotely compassionate reader wouldn't see all this and realize that Kaname isn't a super-soldier, but a normal teenaged girl who has been put through more than she can cope with?

Besides, I don't see her permantly being reduced to that role. She's just at a rough spot in her life. I'm sure in time she'll come around and fight back.

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ok, so, can any1 say what happened in BOMF?

cause i haven't been here for a while and i feel sorta outta the loop -_-


interesting thoughts about kaname... i sorta agree that i think her "fiery spirit" is one of the major reasons i like her; she's like a wild animal that has been kept in the house for a long time, eventually she's gonna lose her natural behaviors; one thing i do think is that making her that "damsel in distress" character, she becomes much more realistic and thus more human; however obviously i agree it takes something away from her character...

i don't think i'll ever say tessa over kaname, but tessa will grow stronger in my mind, but i do think that she's sorta in a position where anything else would just be silly

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Well, she has been a 2LT since DVMC, but with Mithril getting decimated, the chances are pretty high that some characters will receive a level-up - I mean, promotion soon. That is, if the focus ever shifts back to Mithril.
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full_metal_sousuke wrote:check here http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread. ... 478&page=2
thanks, i completely forgot to check animesuki...

so THAT's how it all fit together... so i dunno maybe it is on animesuki, but is that actually how it ended?

it ended with [ecs] wraith talking about the ARX-8... i'm assuming the new arbalest??? but did the story make any reference to who the guy he/she [wraith] was talking to???[/ecs]

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And there are also the many inferences of Mithril not having enough personnel.

I was thinking he might be Bunny, but I don't think Bunny would talk like that, and he wouldn't be so uncertain about this unveiled machine.
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