*** [TSR] *** Episode 1 - End of Day by Day.

Circle · Post by **Circle** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:41 pm

Here is a website that compares the fansubs of ep1.
http://www.ultracarl.com/fansub/FMPTSR/

If you have the bandwidth, just download from every group and then decide on your own which one you prefer. I'm getting them both right now.

Post by **Taurec** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:47 pm

Well I'm leeching both ..

I like the BakaKozou's one for the extra info, but the font of A-D Is a little more readable.

ZyreX · Post by **ZyreX** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:42 pm

gearnie wrote: Regarding timeline, this isn't all that long after the end of the first series, and that only spanned 6 months or so, so I don't think you can really say that Sousuke's been using the LD for that long or that often. He's actually only been able to use it 3 times that we have seen in the anime (I think - First against Gauron in "Khanka", second against Behemoth, Third against Gauron onboard Da Danaan - correct me if I'm wrong. Remember that he tried and failed on the island.). I think that they're just being consistent with the storyline (in that he doesn't use the LD to it's potential), and that this will show as the plot moves along, especially at the end.

Of course, that doesn't mean you have to like the fact that you didn't get to see Sousuke kick ass....

He uses it a few times more than that... in the desert where he was when he was young, he uses it 2 times there.... and then I think there was another place... but dont remember..
either way... he is able to use it quite well when he isnt emotionall disturbed as he was at that island.

Taurec wrote:Well I'm leeching both ..

done that... but somehow one of them didnt work at all... maybe it got corrupted or sumthing

Eisenmann · Post by **Eisenmann** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:43 pm

the bakakozou has really good quality in video and audio.
the timing of the subs is pretty good.
when you look at that side which compares boh releases you can see that the colours and resolution is better.
additionally bakakozou is a new group. one should support them and enourage them to make more good fansubs

AEmer · Post by **AEmer** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:14 pm

@Zyrex

Actually, Sousuke has only used the Labmda driver effectively in halmajistand, the first time where he fought Gauron, and when fighting the behemoth.. only at those points did he use it.

Furthermore, the Halmajistan episode was a filler - it doesn't tie in with the rest of FMP, so if this new season is based upon the novels rather than the first season, it doesn't make sense to count the times he used it there.

The Lambda Driver didn't come into play aboard the TDD, and Gauron got his AS shut down after he used the L-driver on Kurtz, leaving him vulnerable - even the Venom AS was not disabled because of Sousukes Lambda driver, rather, it was because it's own Lambda driver overheated.

Finally, Sousuke has had deep emotional involvement whenever he's used the Lambda driver successfully - on both occasions appearing in the novel, it was when Kaname was pressent and in danger.

While it's an amazing weapon, nothing in the series suggests that it's one you should rely on for chewing through entire armies. This is part of the plot. If you feel that this didn't appear strongly enough during season one, then that would be Gonzo's mistake.

Circle · Post by **Circle** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:16 pm

Zy, [AD]'s version needs the x264 codec. My VLC 0.8.1 couldn't play it but I just went and downloaded 0.8.2 and it worked. This new version is suppose to fix some bugs with mkv files, which is good cuz 0.8.1 crashes sometimes when playing mkv's.

Alright, done watching them both fansubs and will now pass judgement... um, they're both good. Each have their good points.

Video quality's the same to me. Audio quality's the same to my ears, only difference is BK's audio is louder (normalized?) than AD's. And in the intro song there was a slight burp on AD's version but that could just be VLC's fault.
BK translated some more text and included more detail side notes that appear about the histroy stuff but it forces me to pause in order to read it.
BK seems to translate some stuff better. I dunno which one is correct but Sousuke talk about doing the work (homework) for credits to pass the class in BK's version but in AD's version it's about doing work to be promoted to the rank captain. Homework makes more sense, any1 know which is correct?
AD's different fonts for different speakers (AL, radio, voice) is a nice touch. Both groups used readable fonts and didn't time them too fast (I hate it when subtitles go too fast to read).
Taiwas vs TAO, um, not a big deal.
AD's more detailed/acurate in that line about "passing 15 degrees north latitude and no enemies within 30 miles."
AD cropped out that English "sponsored by" splash page, which is good.
AD's filesize is significantly smaller than BK's (for the same video quality too), which is important to me for I plan to *cough* archive *cough* this.

Well, if I have to declare a winner, it'd be BK cuz of the homework vs rank-captain thing. But I'm not loyal to subgroups so maybe I'll just watch every release of every episode to decide on a case to case basis. ^^

gearnie · Post by **gearnie** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:30 pm

ZyreX wrote:He uses it a few times more than that... in the desert where he was when he was young, he uses it 2 times there

Perfect example of why you shouldn't try to make a point at 2am.... having said that, I agree completely with AEmer's post.

Tsushima Masaki · Post by **Tsushima Masaki** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:55 pm

Too bad Bakakozou never explained just what EMFC was. I can only guess that they meant Explosive Magnetic Flux Compressor.

Anime-Destiny's wouldn't play for me in BSPlayer, figured it was some codec I never used before. So Bakakazou wins by default for now unless more groups step into the game, and I'm sure there will be more.

Great episode, great animation by Kyoto Animation. They've really been getting noticed ever since AIR. Low point of this episode was when I had to see Kaname's mug again.

This episode has semi-motivated me to work on fic... heh.

Hopefully it did the same to you *nudges HELLFIRE*

Anti-ECS missiles huh... advanced ECCM

That'd be an interesting development in my fic too.

KashimArbalestAS · Post by **KashimArbalestAS** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:41 pm

Tsushima Masaki wrote:Anti-ECS missiles huh... advanced ECCM
That'd be an interesting development in my fic too.

Anti-ECS missles? With an ECCM? I think the anime is going a little too far. Such things would devastate the whole way Mithril does operations from now on. It's almost unlawful in the Full Metal Panic! world to have such a thing, if you get what I mean.

Edit: At least it wasn't in the novels, so it can be kind of called an unofficial weapon.

gearnie · Post by **gearnie** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:42 pm

There is a third sub out, by SD Project, 170.19Mb. No word on quality, I'm not going to bother unless I hear the quality is exceptional as the Bakakozou version seemed pretty good to me.

EDIT:

I lied. I couldn't resist checking it out, and I currently have bandwidth to burn....

Anyway, quality is slightly better than Anime-Destiny, but that may have been due to my .h264 decoder (it's kind of old, Anime-Destiny is encoded in .h264). Bakakozou has much better video quality. Audio quality is actually pretty bad, when Kaname goes nuts you can hear obvious distortion. As for translation, well, I only watched parts of it, and there were some things that weren't quite right IMO. Again, I wouldn't go by my comments for translation issues, I know no Japanese. All in all, I think people should stick to the Bakakozou version for now. The video quality of that one blows ther other two away, the audio is quite decent and the subs (again, in my misguided opinion) are fine.

AEmer · Post by **AEmer** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:18 am

yes, it is indeed interesting that there should be such a thing as an anti-ecs missile...

The way the ECS is explained though, it makes sense that you'd be able to make one...only, it seems very few know of the ECS' weakness, though, supposedly the big players around the world, like the US Military, do.

From that to the invention of an anti-missile - well, that's not a long way.

However, it's also clear that those missiles come with a lot of weaknesses. That is to say, it has to be shark like in nature, because the ECS can be traced since it releases a certain gass which then diffuses outwards (N20 or O3 or something, I can't remember), that is very distinctive to dogs for instance - since the gas is spread by normal aerial diffusion, the missile has to slow down once it reaches the target area and try to sniff down and hit the target. It also means it'll try to hit anything ECS in the area...and finally, it means that in order to 'lock on' to ECS, you must be a relatively speedy object, like a missile, since you're utilizing chemical detection, and you must be pretty close to the thingie using ECS, since the gas spreads by regular diffusion...

This, in turn, explains how Mao was able to easily pull those AECS missiles away from the choppers and dodge them afterwards....

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Considering how advanced technology's pressent in FMP, it's not stretching it on the realism department even a tiny bit to have these thingies...I wouldn't be surprised if Gatou was the one who thought of them, when he thought of the ECS...

KiLlEr · Post by **KiLlEr** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:20 am

Circle wrote: I dunno which one is correct but Sousuke talk about doing the work (homework) for credits to pass the class in BK's version but in AD's version it's about doing work to be promoted to the rank captain. Homework makes more sense, any1 know which is correct?

Has to be homework, since he's usinng kaname's notes (which he forgot about and left on the sub, not in a 'building' far away)

Avlor · Post by **Avlor** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:35 am

Can I help Sousuke with his homework? oh please oh please...

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@circle and killer
I haven't seen the AD version, but perhaps he has to pass the classes at school to have a chance to go up in rank? (granted this idea may be a from a hairbrained person who never was in the military...)

Just my less than $.02...

PookaKitten · Post by **PookaKitten** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:08 am

re: Sousuke's limited use of the lambda driver

Sousuke hates the lambda driver and Al (the Arbalest's AI) with a passion. In the novels it took [ecs]His commanding officer's order to chat and "make nice" with Al. He needed time to develop a trust with the AI because that seemed to be integral to the success of using the lambda driver.[/ecs] There were some scenes with Sousuke talking to Al in the novels that I hope get animated.

re: homework and rank

At that point, there's no ETA on the end of the Kaname guarding mission. Therefore, he needs to pass all of his classes to graduate to the next year so he can stay by her side. That's why I think he described the homework as a "mission." That and any kind of assignment to him is a "mission."

I loved the 1st episode of TSR, simple as that. The story kept moving at an even pace with no "too fast" or "too slow" times to break my concentration or limit my enjoyment. The animation was well done. Sousuke's forgetting of her homework was classic, especially with the twist of leaving it on the TDD. Definately gets

out of 5

for me.

Samantha

Tsushima Masaki · Post by **Tsushima Masaki** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:08 am

Isn't the whole purpose of Sousuke passing in order for him to keep up with Kaname? He can't really be effective if he's in another classroom. His job requires him to be close to her almost all the time (unless of course he's on a more important mission).

Of course this can be questioned by the fact that [ecs]there is a Mithril Department of Intelligence agent codenamed "Wraith" who's always watching over Kaname... through the scope of a rifle

. This explains why Sousuke can afford to be absent when he has to.[/ecs] Oh well, I guess we'll see.

FullMetal*Panic!

* [TSR] * Episode 1 - End of Day by Day.