Sagara's case (from FMP2#4 spoiler thread)

[Taurec]

I was referring to the time period as stated above.

[Weltall Elite]

I wonder. I don't think Kaname "changed" Sousuke, so much as opened up something in his heart that he'd suppressed. Like I said, it was the only way he'd ever known to survive. Even Kaname noticed that when she first met him, he was very sad. Whatever he had to do to survive, in his heart, I don't think he felt good about it. He wasn't just indifferent. So I think he always had a good heart. He just had to close it off.

[sj4iy]

Actually, I would say it's all Kaname...he pretty much admits it is. He wasn't able to open his heart to anyone before her- not even Kalinin, who's almost like a father to him.

[Weltall Elite]

Wait... what's all Kaname? Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

[tellie]

I think that comparing Sousuke and wild animal just doesn't work. Wild animals do what they want, but Sousuke does what he is told to do (and something more after meeting Kaname). I think that Sousuke is much more like tamed, doing tricks that his "owner" tells him to do. But that is going to chance, I quess. If it is, the process is more like becoming wild than becoming tamed, and that is what makes Sousuke (and Alucard from Hellsing, for example) so special character (not that S and A have much in common...)

I don't see Sousuke as broken. For example Revy (from Black Lagoon) is, and she acts like it, unlike Sousuke. He certainly has Walls that would make an Egyptian builder proud, like dd said, but I quess that inside those walls is nearly normal boy. Of course all that war has made its marks to him, and damaged him that much he can't really adapt society. Hmm, I wonder what would it be if he took some psyciatry. What would the psyciatrist say to him or about him? I would love to read some fanfics about that ^^

And then, good or evil? Neither, say I. He just is and does what he does. Sometimes it is nasty things, sometimes nice things. How much he thinks ethics behind his doings, cannot know, but I don't think that is much.

[krysinello]

IMO, before Sousuke went to Jindai to protect Kaname, he was neither good nor evil, just a soldier who lived to follow his orders, he was raised as basically an effective killing machine, did the best possible thing to exceed at his mission.

However, meeting Kaname changed him, he started to see right from wrong, shades of grey and started acting on good intentions. He started to care for people, and realise there is more to life then following orders, as shown at the end on DBD. While Sousukes views are still clouded, probably from confusion from being raised differently and put into a somewhat normal life, he is learning to show a kindness, and help people in need, for eg, he heres a woman screaming and goes to help the women(getting bug spray in the face doesn't mean he didnt have good intentions.).

Basically meeting Kaname has given him morals.

[tellie]

Please don't quote the post directly above yours, unless you edit it to what specifically you are addressing. - K

I doubt that Kaname really gave any moral to Sousuke. After all, at first their relationship was fully professional, and at that time he, for example, helped Kazama with that panty episode, what was about life-threatning to Kazama (falling down from 4th floor). Before that Sousuke and Kaname had had one real talk, I assume. (Can't have a real talk with someone who just claims he is coincidently at the same place...)

So I think that Sousuke had some real moral and so on before meeting Kaname, but before that he just followed orders, not much thinking those. But Kaname makes (forces) him to think himself, so he is kind of forced to do as his moral tells him to do... So, I think, Kaname makes Sousuke broke some of those Walls, not chance him that much. His behavior chances too fast to be a chance in his mind and soul... Every woman who has tried to chance a man knows that it is nearly Mission Impossible, and if it there is some succes, it takes loooooots of time But spontanious good things can be made a manner pretty fast.

[krysinello]

I think that you are taking a regular person in to account about changing them. Its mission impossible to change someone who already enjoys who they are. Its different for Sousuke though, I think he actually enjoys the school life more then the other roles he has lead. He has changed alot, he cares for more then just the mission now, to the extent that he even cares for the life of the school, any possibilty to go back. Because I don't think he enjoyed it, he has realised that the normal life is better and wants it, however he still feels compelled to the military life cause of protecting chidori and helping his comrads, who he has made good friendships with.

I'll give an example(Due to Adobe reader not letting me copy anything I'll give a summary)

[ecs]Sousuke was faced with an Awkward position, give 1, to save the many, he faced a problem that the old him wouldn't of had a problem with, in fact the old him probably would of scorned him for it. He could take Chidori, run away and risk the lives of the student, or he could give Kaname up to save the lives of the students, but nothing would do, he wanted to preserve it all, the chances were almost nill, but he wanted to save both. He remembered back to events, a jealous girl writing slander on the walls, a girl who couldn't win at basketball, so desperate she sent a threatening fax, 2 teachers, realising their feelings for each other and causing a scene with it, was this what it meant to love something? He wanted it all, he wanted to save that world, the world she lived in, He took the gamble.
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Now that shows Sousuke cares for more then just Chidori, he cares for her world, and ends up realising he loves that world aswell. He has changed mentally, following his heart more then his instincts. He has changed in that fact, and the fact that there is more to his life then fighting now. With that I beleive he has changed. From the killer Kashim, who didn't really care, although he respected the soldiers, he just followed orders without hesitation, to the weakened Sousuke who while strong, makes usually foolish decisions by following what he wants to happened, not what the technically wise thing would be to do.

I hope I made a valid point on this, I aint the best writer so sorry if its a bit hard to understand, I usually have trouble conveying my opinions.

Finger stretch time.

[tellie]

That is exactly the point: Sousuke didn't really like what he was doing, but did it anyway. I don't think that doing things makes you a person who you are, but liking or not liking those things and thinking what you think about those thing does, even if you don't spent too much time to thinking those.

I think that if you don't like who you are, you are not that person, even of you think so but, because you have to be someone, you are... YOU, who else And that Real You can be found relativly easy, by giving rewards and showing acception when you do those things you really like to do, and some times giving some punishment when you are doing something definetly no You. (Sorry about all those yous. I just can't remember "other passive"...) That is just what Kaname is doing to Sousuke, giving revards and acception (kindness, help and so on) and some punishments (anger, )

I think that is what happened to Sousuke... He learnet to know who he was and make decisions as Sousuke, not just a soldier from some how-to-do-things-tecnically-right book. He maybe thinks he has chanced much, but personally I think that it has been more just getting to know himself and living with himself than really chancing much.

[KiLlEr]

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