Kinda Confused still...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:19 am

What is the Lamba drive? I know it's an technology to use ur brain to form a energy creation of whatever you are thinking...but how is that possible? And if both AS have lambada, one believe it will hit and the other believes it wouldn't it hit, wouldn't that just cancel out? How can you believe something more than someone else and then win?

Lil lost here

Kelek · Post by **Kelek** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 11:14 am

[Me is unclear about the definition of a Lambda Driver so I'll try to respond to the second part of your question...]

I think what you're asking about has been see between fights between Sousuke and Gaulun, where both of them try to use the Lambda Driver to defeat each other. Usually there's a big explosion of some sort from the energy that didn't quite work when they wanted it to. Basically, maybe this is just how the power builds up and then "cancels out" because of both parties believing that they'll succeed in hitting and that the other won't. (And somehow Gaulun always manages to jump away when this happens...heh.)

Sgt. Sagara Sousuke · Post by **Sgt. Sagara Sousuke** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 1:59 pm

I think the Lambda Driver materializes the pilot's will. So if one pilot's will to destroy the other is stronger, then probably he'll win. Another theory is that the Lambda Driver relies on the pilot's brain wave pattern, wavelength or whatever and if the wave pattern is optimized to the LD, then his LD capabilities is stronger. Coz not everyone can use the LD or they'll have to use drugs...

Post by **Taurec** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:46 pm

afaik .. anyone can use a LD .... but once it's activated / set for one pilot someone else can't use the system.

But the above is kinda flawed because if such a Black Tech system would have to Sync to the brainwaves of one individual .... how did Kaname manage to "drive" the Dannan.

not sure about the following (really have to see it again)
but using a LD system does give alot of mental stress that's why that kid needed the drugs ..... (correct me if i'm wrong)

KiLlEr · Post by **KiLlEr** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 3:19 pm

The one in the Dannan was an older type which worked as a control system and not as an offensive/defensive weapon.

So for the Dannan, The LD is far less comlpicated than the one in the Arbalest/Venom, since those devices use the LD to generate firepower.

The one in the Goliath was even more powerful (and there was more than one), as it not only used as control system and a weapons system, but it was also used as a structural integrety system.

So it seems the mre complex the LD is, the more stress it puts on the human operator, and the more integrated it has to become with the operator.

Sgt. Sagara Sousuke · Post by **Sgt. Sagara Sousuke** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:09 pm

Well, I doubt that anyone can use the LD but I might be wrong. Why does A-21 have to search for the boy to pilot the Behemoth. They could've used a more experienced pilot. Kalinin also states that the A-21 might posses a person who can pilot the LD. So, they placed much priority on the boy.

The ARX-7 must have sync the LD with Sousuke's brain wave pattern. Thus, no one else can pilot it. Still, I might be wrong.

HELLFIRE · Post by **HELLFIRE** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:25 pm

Think the LD's effects are proportional to the pilot's willpower as well...
ref. the Khanka arc and how Kaname tells Sousuke to visualize her
being stripped and experimented on in order to maximize the power of
the LD

Regards

Kelek · Post by **Kelek** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:22 pm

Taurec wrote: but using a LD system does give alot of mental stress that's why that kid needed the drugs ..... (correct me if i'm wrong)

SPOILERS BELOW.

No, that kid (Seina's "brother," right?) needed the drugs for his amnesia/psychological/mental problems. I think his operating the Behemoth was the first and last time for him too. Remember they said that once the thing's started up, it'll collapse without someone using the Lambda Driver? And they were using Takuma (I remembered his name!) to test if the Behemoth worked. So no, I don't think his medications are for that.

Sgt. Sagara Sousuke · Post by **Sgt. Sagara Sousuke** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:09 pm

No... I believe I read from one novel (or was it fan fic. It's all mixed up) that the medications are to help the ppl initialize the LD(or to keep their stress level to a minimum from the LD effect). Besides, Seina wouldn't have to pretend to be Takuma's sis. She could have used one of her guys to test drive the LD.

Jae · Post by **Jae** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:51 pm

There are alot of things in this thread that afaik are not confirmed official.
(esp something you think might have come from a fan fic)

As far as the question in the first post- "How can you believe something more than someone else and then win?"

Willpower. From what I understand of the anime series, the one with the stronger (more controlled) willpower will overcome an identically armed opponent. There might be debate about if Sousuke is identically armed as any of his enemies, but that all just adds to the answer about why one can overcome the other. It's not just a simple matter of believing, although you have to believe for it to work to begin with.

BTW, did they translate Behemoth as Goliath in the anime?

And, oh yeah, Kaname in the Dannan- this is a theory but probably the Dannan isn't designed to work with a non-Whispered, unlike the AS systems. That, perhaps, is why Kaname can control Tessa's Dannan. I haven't seen any official explaination on it, and consider it a technical plot hole until explained otherwise.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:19 pm

@jae

Yea, in the anime it's called Behemoth

*Spoilers*
Back to the subject:
Lambda driver can't be the user's willpower,Because in the anime, they always talk about not losing focus/concentration. Kagome tells him to imagine her being tortured which makes him mad and more entitled to lose concentration. Wouldn't that make the lamda driver fail if he gets mad? Cause the behemoth integrity lambda drivers were failing because he was losing focus after getting so excited in trying to destroy Tessa.

Remember the epsiode where Tessa and Mellisa fought an AS duel? Remember WEbber mention something before the battle about a anciet samarai duel where one of them lost because one got mad and lost focus?

So i still don't get this. Is it anger that fuels the Lambda driver? I don't think it's willpwer

Jae · Post by **Jae** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:51 pm

You're assuming that emotions force someone to lose focus and/or that a person can't utilize their emotions and their concentration together. That's not the case.

Willpower is a fairly generic term, unlike, say, anger. My intent in using that word is to imply great desire combined with a focused force: something that uses both emotions and mental concentration.

(dictionary.com willpower: The strength of will to carry out one's decisions, wishes, or plans. Control of one's behavior.)

Sousuke has to really really want what he wants, in order to be effective- so the emotional ploys. He also has to be able to maintain control, in order to best channel that want (could he lose control? Could the LD system cease to work if he can't control it?).

So, you see why being a very good pilot can be a challenging task. Obviously its difficult on him, as we see in the series.

Also- Mao and Tessa's duel didn't involve LD. The standard rules of fighting are utterly changed when you apply LD.
And perhaps I have to rewatch ep 12 but I recall that the Behemoth's LD didn't fail. Sousuke overcame it's shields but that wasn't due to failure on Takuma's part. The Behemoth fell apart because Sousuke hit the cooling system causing mechanical failure.

RussianFox · Post by **RussianFox** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:50 pm

i think that only 'wispered' can control LDs. hower, Guron did, maybe he's one of them too?...

Kelek · Post by **Kelek** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:03 am

RussianFox wrote:i think that only 'wispered' can control LDs. hower, Guron did, maybe he's one of them too?...

Mm, well, Sousuke isn't a Whispered and I don't think Gaulun is either. For some obscure reason, both of them have learned how to use it.

Jae · Post by **Jae** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:14 am

Spouting off at the mouth, but the LD is more like a piece of technology than a power. Perhaps there is some confusion there.

Being Whispered is having a sort of unusual power (among other things), and Whispered had created the LD technology, which, in theory, anyone could use.

The Lambda Driver is equipment based.