girl that souske saved in first episode

Post by **Taurec** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 9:53 am

you are the one that started antigone's ordeal, but then again deserters or traitors have to be punished even when they are dead.

KashimArbalestAS · Post by **KashimArbalestAS** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:32 pm

I agree with Jae's thoughts on that the whole Whispered thing has just happened, around in that time. If there was the Whispered thing in the past, in the Full Metal Panic! world, where would they be? Much more advanced, by a lot. Also, many Whispered credited things have just been made, like the Arbalest, M9, Palladium Reactor, Lamba Drive, Tuatha de Danaan, ect. And I think the whole thing about the Lamba Drive is pretty much new in the Full Metal Panic! world, seeing that there are still many things not perfect with it, like the Venom over heating, and Takuma being somehow reformed to operate the Behemoth.

I'm not sure about the Whispered thing being genetic, it can just be some strange anomaly happening with a very small and selected number of people, like said before, if there were Whispers in the past, that would approve of the genetics theory. But, if we assume there was none in the past, then the genetic theory wouldn't be right. Tessa tells Kaname about Whispers getting whispers in their minds when they begin to mature, probably why most Whispers in Full Metal Panic! are in the teens. I think I got that part while skimming through the manga at Borders.

I think the Whisper thing about Tessa and Leonard is just coincedence, it probably just pronounces them being more special in a way as in both brother and sister being Whispers, and also to project the scale of the Whispered Brother versuses the Whispered Sister kind of thing happening in the novels.

Also, the AS wasn't created by Whispers? I thought that the Full Metal Panic! world was just the same as now back in 2001 where it is supposed to be set. The only thing different about the real world and the Full Metal Panic! one is the presence of Whispers and their products of "Black Technology", which are cool. In the Boku-Tachi scanlation of Continuing On My Own Book One, Part One: A: [ecs]2 unnamed people in an unnamed location talk about the strange events happening, those revolved around Kaname Chidori. One of them jokes, "That girl's an alien. She receives electromagnetic waves from the planet Vega to bring forbidden technology to Earth. Arm Slaves and stealth fighters, all of it's technology from Vega." Then the other guy calls him an "Electromagnetic waves idiot."[/ecs]I interpreted that as most normal people not knowing the specs on ASes, like who made them, normal people probably just view them as weapons that destroy. But there are monthly magazines in the Full Metal Panic! world that focus on ASes that Sousuke and Shinji Kazama receive. (If ASes and all this stuff was real, I would DEFINITELY get those magazines.) Also, it was mentioned somewhere on a site, that said that the first time ASes were operated to be used in a war was in the Gulf War by the United States. If ASes are products of Whispers, then that would mean that the U.S. used Whispers.

Another awesome thing that isn't in our world, is our favorite anime plushie, Bonta-kun! Especially since Bonta-kun costumes have some kind of technology that only permits them to say things akin to fumoffu, fumo, moffu...

sonteen12 · Post by **sonteen12** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:50 pm

It's the whispered girl from ep. 1 Kaname was seeing, I'm positive. Notice her hair, her bangs are totally different from Kaname's. I think it makes sense since whispers are supposed to be mentally linked at some level...(good example can be seen at the end of the first season, with Tessa and Kaname)

KiLlEr · Post by **KiLlEr** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:08 pm

The only thing that bugs me is that if the Whispered girl that was saved did hang herself, she must have escaped Mythril or she was left unattended (it may be possible, but I feel this is unlikely seeing how important a whispered is).

We can't rule out the possibility that not all of Mythril is the "nice" organization that "helps" and "protects" Whispereds.

The treatment Tessa gets may be a unique case.

(Just some more possibilities to chew on)

Mecha · Post by **Mecha** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:52 pm

Who would not forget that cute red headed girl in ep1 of fiest FMP! anime. Surely I would like to know more about her than just her being whispered. After all, thats why they studied her.

Post by **Taurec** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:27 pm

Mithril resorts to torture ... Can't be all that sweet.

Kuroro · Post by **Kuroro** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:25 pm

If the hanging girl really is the one from the 1st ep then my theory on what happened to her will turn out to be completely wrong.

But what the heck, here it is anyway.

First let's summarize the beginning of the first episode:

The girl escapes with a companion but they were both intercepted by a chopper. The pilot fires a missile that destroys their vehicle and kills it's driver, then he tries to kill the girl with the chopper's machine guns.

Then Sousuke arrives with his team and destroys the chopper.

Then he gets down from his mecha and walks up to 'Betty', as you guys call her. He hears Mao telling him to hurry up because the enemy's back-up will arrive at anytime. He tells Mao that it will be over in 15 seconds.

Betty asks him, "What do you want to do?"

He replies, "Take him back."

Then he injects her with something making her lose consciousness. She asks for his name and he tells her. Then she loses consciousness while he looks on.

Fast forward to the 4th episode(the plane hijacking).

Teresa asks Kalilin if this will be like the first mission.

He tells her that Sousuke is a pro, he was already given his priorities(the passengers over Chidori), and that he will always act like a professional.

In the last few scenes of that ep Sousuke was seen struggling with himself. He was under a lot of stress deciding whether to save the plane passengers first and forsake Chidori, or try to save both. Then he sees images of Chidori flash in his mind, then the image of 'Betty', who now looks like she's dead, then back to his memories of Chidori, then back to Betty again, hearing gunshots in between.

Remember that Sousuke's priority was the safety of the plane passengers first.

I can understand Sousuke's struggle whether to follow orders and save the passengers, or come up with another plan, since he's already developed an attachment to Chidori. But why is he seeing images of what looked like a dead 'Betty' as well as of Chidori?

Do you think that Sousuke's mission in the 1st ep was actually to retrieve that girl then put her down? For some reason Mithril decided that having the girl eliminated was the best thing to do, and that they arranged for Sousuke to do it, in the most humane way of course, since they're supposed to be the good guys.

When Sousuke tells the girl that he will, "Take him back." who do you think he was referring to?

The only other person in the area who could possibly have a connection to what Sousuke was saying is the girl's companion during her escape. But he was already dead. Did he mean that he will 'take him back' to her by ending her life?

This would make sense that during Sousuke's moment of crisis in ep 4, he was seeing visions of Chidori alternating with a dead 'Betty'(what looked like =p). He was worried that the same thing might happen again. That he may have to sacrifice another girl for the good of the many, this time by abandoning her in the hands of the bad guys.(Note: they could always launch a cruise missile in Chidori's direction afterwards so that the enemy won't be able to exploit her Whispered abilities)

Teresa was thinking of the same thing when she was talking to Kalilin. She was worried if Sousuke will be able the handle the same situation especially now that he might have developed feelings for Chidori because of his initial mission of protecting her. Then Kalilin assured her that Sousuke was a professional and that he will do his job.

Here's another clue... back in the 1st ep. when Mao tells Sousuke to hurry up and he says that it will be "over in 15 seconds". It could mean that injecting the girl WAS the mission. Giving more sense to his words: "Take him back."(referring to Betty's dead companion, who was probably her boyfriend or brother)

Of course that's assuming that the girl who hanged herself was not the one in the 1st episode.

What do you think?

If there's something that I missed or misunderstood, please feel free to tell me.

Also I'm new.

Weltall Elite · Post by **Weltall Elite** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:59 pm

I don't know what fan sub you watched, by the ADV version I watched said something along the lines of "I'm taking you back with me."

I doubt he killed her. If it was better for her to be dead, then saving her from the helicopter would have been pointless.

I think that the experiments that they performed on her, and were attempting to perform on Kaname, affected their mental state. Again, I only saw the ADV version, but Sousuke refered to it as being something like a zombie. That may be why you think she looked dead in the flashbacks. I think Sousuke just remembered what had happened to that girl and didn't want the same to happen to Kaname.

Welcome to the forum, btw.

Kuroro · Post by **Kuroro** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:31 am

Good point. The ADV version might be more accurate. Well, there goes my theory.

Mine must've been manufactured in China. I've been had.

sj4iy · Post by **sj4iy** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:28 pm

That sounds like you had a very bad fansub ^^;;; I can shed a little more light on that beginning scene (from the actual book):

The man that was trying to rescue the girl was from Mithril. The girl tells Sousuke that he was trying to escape with her. Then when she asks what he plans to do with her, Sousuke says "tsurete kaeru" (take you home). Then she asks where, and he says, "first, I'll carry you in my AS to the transport helicopter landing zone. We'll then seat you in the helicopter, and return to the "mother ship" waiting out at sea. I don't know anything after that. That's where our mission ends." When she asks him, "Our?" he replies, "Don't worry, they are my comrades." Then it's the usual thing where she asks him his name.

Weltall Elite · Post by **Weltall Elite** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:12 pm

Sousuke sure does a lot of talking in the original book...

I kinda liked the "mysterious savior" approach taken in the anime.

sirwence · Post by **sirwence** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:55 am

clipped complete blockquote -H

I liked them both.. the mysterious saviour type but I also enjoy getting information so there is less of a chance of missunderstanding actions taken by the characters.

JelliCelli · Post by **JelliCelli** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:38 am

The "mysterious savior" version is all fine and dandy, but sometimes you just really get the urge to pick apart a character's brain. After watching the anime, it was nice to see what Sousuke was actually thinking in the manga. If anything, I think it all gives you a deeper understanding of the character. I just really enjoy that kinda stuff

sirwence · Post by **sirwence** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 6:33 am

If it is infact genetic.. which I believe it to be. Then what of Ayame Chidori would she not also be a target? just figured id bring up the seemingly forgotten sister haha.

JelliCelli wrote:The "mysterious savior" version is all fine and dandy, but sometimes you just really get the urge to pick apart a character's brain. After watching the anime, it was nice to see what Sousuke was actually thinking in the manga. If anything, I think it all gives you a deeper understanding of the character. I just really enjoy that kinda stuff

Ya I like them both and I sort of got them both with the book and the anime

sj4iy · Post by **sj4iy** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:17 pm

I don't think he really talks any more in the book than he does in the anime...the only difference is that the anime has to cut out more of the scene for time purposes. I mean, it's pretty normal for someone to answer when they are asked "what's going to happen to me?"- it's not like Sousuke's a bad guy. His main problem is, in fact, his brutal honesty, since it seems that he doesn't know how to sugar-coat anything.