Tessa's Command

AEmer · Post by **AEmer** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:01 am

I wonder...the lady's chappel was used as a storytechnical mechanism to have Kaname save everyone. It is certainly possible that there is far more to it than that, but if we don't hear anything more about the lady's chappel ever again, we'll never know.

Personally, I haven't read the latest manga(9), so I haven't got all the sources available to us westerners - Is it there that it is directly said that the TDD-1 has a lambda driver?, or can someone provide me with a timestamp or a novel refference where it is said?

I'm personally speculating that the TDD-1 has the same kind of Lambda driver as the behemoth, but I've absolutely no proof in hand for this, excepting that only a whispered is, apparently, able to use both devices - which obviously doesn't have to be related, but it could be.

So yeah: anybody got some refferences?

Weltall Elite · Post by **Weltall Elite** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:15 am

Wasn't it said in the anime that the TDD uses an underdeveloped form of Black Technology that doesn't have a Lambda Driver?

KashimArbalestAS · Post by **KashimArbalestAS** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:39 am

KashimArbalestAS wrote:Yeah, a Whispered would bring out the full effectiveness of the TDD-1, except a captain such as Tessa, being a Whispered and the designer of the TDD-1, is a plus since she can use the Lamba Driver of the TDD-1, and she can also command the sub, though for experience she has Mardukas and Kalinin.

Being an extroadinary captain is, as said a plus since Tessa's Whispered abilities isn't put to use frequently. In the novel A Dancing Very Merry Christmas, [ecs]after Mardukas had destroyed the Leviathons through strategy during the Captain's absence, he said to one of the people in the control room that if it was Tessa giving out the orders, he wouldn't have been so dubious of Mardukas actions, and that he probably thought that Mardukas was just some officer on the TDD-1. That implies that Tessa is such an adept commander and tactician that she would have, if she was in the command of the TDD-1 at the time, she also would have destroyed those Leviathons.[/ecs]

KashimArbalestAS · Post by **KashimArbalestAS** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:49 am

Heh heh, actually, I don't know where I got that the TDD-1 has a Lamba Driver...I'm sure I read it somewhere that was official, though how else was Kaname able to take autocratic control over the TDD-1? She is a Whispered, but I think even a Whispered needs a facility, a Lamba Driver, to take over a sub...Thought somewhere said it was loaded with a Lamba Driver. Yeah I'm confused. I thought it was from the official site, but nothing says anything about it. Maybe in a novel.

Weltall Elite · Post by **Weltall Elite** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:50 am

I'm pretty sure it says it doesn't. I'd imagine it's like regular AS units and the ECS system. It's Black Technology, but it doesn't have the Lambda Driver.

KashimArbalestAS · Post by **KashimArbalestAS** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:06 am

Alright, I got some evidence, as in links.

This site, http://www.dvdanime.net/articleview.php?id=36, when you translate it from French to English, in the Tuatha de Danaan's section, says "Tuatha De Danaan is the most sophisticated and advanced
submarine in the world. It was entirely conceived by Theresa
Testarossa, a "Whispered" exceptionally gifted. It incorporates
the most modern technologies on its board which are straight exits of
"Black Technology", an artificial intelligence able to manage
all the functionalities of the vessel and integrates even a system
"Lambda Driver". It was conceived to be more making safe possible
for its flight crew and absolutely undetectable with the sonars.
Moreover, its possibilities of operation and its rate of travel exceed
that of the existing ships by far. Strongly armed, Toy Box is able
to launch torpedes or missiles, and has even a launching pad to make
take off its hunters. The hangar is also arranged to accomodate and
maintain ACES."

This site, http://www.satyrnet.it/fullmetalpanic/faq.htm, when translated from Italien to English says "Why the Tuahta de Daanan is the sottomorino more to the vanguard to the world?
The TdD is equipped with the Lamda Driver System, in adding to other advances technologies to which modern conventional science still it has not arrived.
A Whispered individual has planned the TdD for being, the more advanced and sure possible one. Since many nations have not approached the Wispered, nobody have still put to point an advanced aircraft therefore."

And finally, the page that concludes this, and in my opinion dispels all further doubt of the Tuatha de Danaan having a Lambda Driver, is http://www.abstratica.org/anime/fmp/fmp-faqs.html. It says,

10. Why is the Tuatha De Daanan the most advanced submarine in the world?
The Tuatha De Daanan is equipped with a Lamda Driver System, in addition to several other technological advances that modern conventional science has yet to catch up to.
A Whispered individual worked a great deal on designing the Tuatha De Daanan to be both as advanced and as safe as possible. Because not many countries have access to Whispered, none have yet developed as advanced a craft.

KiLlEr · Post by **KiLlEr** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:06 am

The TDD has a primative Lambda driver. Remember that a Lambda driver's sole purpose is to take the user's will and convert it into a physical form. With this in mind, it makes sense how kaname was able to take complete control over the TDD's systems, effectively cutting off the comprimised AI systems, and using the ship as if it were mearly an extension of her own body (as it was so skillfully portrayed in the animated scenes). The LD's in the AS' are far more advanced, allowing its use as more than just a controller (Malomer bundles anyone?

) and as an offensive/defensive system.

Weltall Elite · Post by **Weltall Elite** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:10 am

Hmm... It could have been a primative one. But I was sure there was something incomplete about it, even compared to the Arbalast. I'd have to rewatch that episode, but you may be right.

AEmer · Post by **AEmer** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:37 am

Ah, yes, I see... it would appear that we aren't the only ones of the oppinion that the TDD-1 has a lambda driver. I wonder though, the lambda driver of the AS's convert 'brainwaves' into 'physical energy' - they don't allow the pilots to excibit a greater degree of control over their AS...

Can we be certain that it is the Lambda driver of the TDD-1 (it'd still be nice to know where it's stated within the franchise itself, considering those were all second-hand information sites, but I'll presume it has one for now) that allows the Ladys chappel to give direct control of the TDD-1 to a whispered?

It does seem somewhat plausible, to me, considering it was the behemoth's lambda driver that allowed it to even stick together, and it was definately what allowed it to move(though not necessarily providing the mobility directly)...even if that was not said directly somewhere and I either don't remember it or am unaware of it...

But yeah, that's a lot of given's...

KashimArbalestAS · Post by **KashimArbalestAS** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:53 am

Maybe a Lambda Driver with a Whispered can only move and direct it and not be able to, for example destroy other ships by will, because even for a Whispered, controlling a ship of that size is too big? I don't know, I'm thinking those sites got their own source from some official source since they practically have the same thing about the Lambda Driver and the Tuatha de Danaan. I'm guessing that that was the Lambda Driver part of the ship. Maybe if it was Tessa in there, would the Tuatha de Danaan do even more than it had done with Kaname? When [ecs]Gauron[/ecs] was about to die in the End of Day by Day, [ecs]he explained to Sousuke that each Whispered has their own field of Whispered knowledge, which could be converted to Black Technology. He said as examples one who was knowledgeable in the theory of Lambda Drivers, and also said one experienced in submarine technology. I've always interpreted him saying the part of the sub thing implying Tessa, since he got to know her, and probably was given information of who was the captain and designer of the Tuatha de Danaan, Tessa. So, if Tessa's Whispered abilities lie in submarines, would she have done even more? I'm not sure if even that would do anything though, in relation to using, as my belief, a Lambda Driver.[/ecs]

AEmer · Post by **AEmer** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:58 pm

Yeah, I suppose the real interesting question is, would Tessa be able to wrap a shield around the TDD if she was hooked up in the lady's chappel during combat..?

And further, would that kind of power allow her to directly undertake maintenence operations aboard the TDD...
spoiler

[ecs]well, the TDD is exposed to a lot of wear and tear, like every submarine is - it can't stay at sea forever, like some kind of modern nautilus...though that would really rock...[/ecs]

KashimArbalestAS · Post by **KashimArbalestAS** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:23 pm

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Post by **Taurec** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:52 pm

Still we don't have any true definition of a LD and every website seems to be telling the same story, and it doesn't make anything clear nor reveals any details.

Lets theorize a little, I would assume the LD consists out of two or more parts

The thought interface 'scanning the mind' of it's user.

+ one of the extra's

-Increase of stuctural integrity. (Behemoth)
-Low distance offensive energy 'pulse'
-Defensive shielding.

The TDD-1 is already highly automated and Chidori did nothing that couldn't be done manually.
The LD of the TDD-1 seems to be integrated with the (all) onboard systems it's really so in case of the TDD-1 it seems to be nothing more than a very advanced controller.

So I wouldn't say it's primitive or incomplete. It's made for controlling the ship and it's does it job.

KashimArbalestAS · Post by **KashimArbalestAS** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:30 pm

I think that the Lambda Driver is a machine so versatile that it is used for any situation needed. For the Behemoth, just by activating the Lambda Driver, it is able to support its own weight and mobilize even though it didn't seem that Takuma was constantly imagining in his mind that the Behemoth was moving, to operate the Lambda Driver to move its weight. It could, as many other machines with a Lambda Driver, make a protective shield. I'm guessing for the Behemoth, or all other machines, the Lambda Driver finds what is needed to be done or supported in its integrated host, and alleviates its weaknesses, as in the Behemoth too heavy to move on its own. I think its like the mind, the environ around and situation is always changing, so like the mind, the Lambda Driver reacts to the change, as in making a shield in which to protect itself from an attack, or to attack an aggressive enemy, though of course the human pilot imagines the use of the Lambda Driver to do those things. I think of the Lambda Driver as something to the effect of something that lets you do anything you can imagine, but of course it can't do everything, and there are, in my opinion, limitations like trying to make the Behemoth jump, or form a shield over the whole of the Tuatha de Danaan, since first of all, it is so huge.

Nekosan · Post by **Nekosan** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:58 pm

As someone said before Lambda driver can have many uses. For example in the novels, (spoiler ahead) [ecs] Gauln was saved, (sort of) thanks to his Lamda driver, and it is mentioned tha Arbalest remained white and could not be painted because of the L. driver. The conclusion is that the Lamda driver has many applications, but only a few can be used on will by the pilots. [/ecs]

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Tessa's Command

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