Similarities between FMP and Robotech:Macross

[Gabb]

( Contains spoilers of Macross and FMP )

I guess this is the first time I really made the connection after watching the macross movie: do you remember love, and a little of the TV series ( darn parallel universes ). I know love triangles are common for animes ( japanese have weird obsessions ), but the love triangle in the two animes seems extra similar due to the characters.

The love triangle in Macross is with ( using english names ) Rick Hunter and ( spelling off ) Minmay and Lisa. Tessa can most be compared to Lisa, they are very strong willed and determined and of course are high ranking commanders of some sort, both share the same feelings for caring for the people they give orders too etc etc. Kaname can be compared to minmay, the b*tchy teenager who only thinks of herself in dangerous situations ( how minmay wouldnt sing the song in a lot of climatic battles, and how Kaname would complain to sagara when sagara is doing a mission or off risking his life ) and also shares the general immaturity that Kaname has. The only differance in these love triangles is of course the ending result where Rick goes for the more mature/intelligent Lisa, and realizes that his time with Minmay is more of just a fake teenager kind of love/fascination. After comparing the love triangles it really makes more sense to see Sagara to go with Tessa ( although we all know this will never happen ).

Sure there are other similarities to the Animes I bet, but I think the strongest one worth mentioning was the love triangle and there similarites and differences in results. Perhaps Sagara is a teenager as well which is why he went someone more appropriate to his age, and Rick was more older and went with someone more mature. Any thoughts?

[Weltall Elite]

Kaname can be compared to minmay, the b*tchy teenager who only thinks of herself in dangerous situations

[KiLlEr]

I disagree on all fronts

Minmay compared to Kaname?Nah.
1) Minmay is very selfish, Kaname is not at all.
2) Minmay wants to be a star and be adored by everyone. Nope not Kaname.
3) Minmay is, quite simply put, a whore. She just wants someone to love her towards the end.

Misa Hayase (Lisa Hayes) Compared to Tessa?
1) There is a LARGE diffence in age (Misa was in her twenties), which brings alot more baggage into play.
2) Misa is far more mature
3) Misa lost the love of her life, different set of issues at play here.

Hikaru Ichiho (Rick Hunter) Compared to Sousuke Sagara. 2 completely different people here.

So, Misa<->Hikaru<->Minmay is not the same as Kaname<->Sousuke<->Tessa as the dynamics of the relationships develope way different and in different ways, with different outcomes.

However, it is very true that poloveygons (not limited to simply triangles) are a staple in many an anime. See my rules of anime for a run down of anime necessities. Maybe I should turn that into a wiki?

[Kaze]

Hmmm i never thought about THIS. But interesting...

I've only recognized some similarities with Escaflowne (and of course kenshin )

>Kaname - Hitomi: Both have special abilities, so bad guys try try to kidnap them
>Sousuke - Van: The warrior who's protecting the girl with his life. Both Characters have the same seiyuu. (seki)
>Gauron - Dilandau: The bad guy who is after the girl
>Yu Lan and her sister - Naria and Eria: The lesbian sisters who are fighting for the evil side...theyre after the girl as well
>Armslave - Guymelef: i think there are huge similarities, especially between the mechas of the lesbian sisters of FMP and Esca http://www.escaflowneonline.com/images/teiring6.jpg
http://www.escaflowneonline.com/images/teiring6.jpg

[dr_haro]

Love triangle is a commony used plot device...

But, this does give way to some amusing mental images

*Arbalest props gun up to fire at Gaulun while Kaname is singing in the background*
Gaulun: "PROTOCULTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!! RAAAAAARGH!"

[KiLlEr]

don't forget about the pepsi can missles

[Gabb]

>>1) Minmay is very selfish, Kaname is not at all.

Oh come on, she always wants attention from Sagara and wants someone to look after her when everyones busy fighting to the death. ( TSR was a prime example especially )

>>2) Minmay wants to be a star and be adored by everyone. Nope not Kaname.

In a way Kaname wants to be a star, I mean why else is she the student president counciler whatever thingy? Kids don't join that for their own sake


>>3) Minmay is, quite simply put, a whore. She just wants someone to love her towards the end.

And what is Kaname? Heck as far as I'm concerned, the only differance between Minmay and Kaname is, Minmay is sweet acting and doesn't beat the crap out of Rick after he saves her life.

Misa Hayase (Lisa Hayes) Compared to Tessa?
>>1) There is a LARGE diffence in age (Misa was in her twenties), which brings alot more baggage into play.

20s.....16.....meh not much differance


>>3) Misa lost the love of her life, different set of issues at play here.

Er well Tessa lost her brother at a early age...could be considered the love of her life.... ( heck look at all the inappropriately positioned pictures of her and her brother at Jaes gallery )

>>>Hikaru Ichiho (Rick Hunter) Compared to Sousuke Sagara. 2 completely different people here.

I don't necessarily think so. Both are very dedicated in their work ( once Rick started doing it at least ) and are kinda doofuses when it comes to social interaction with the opposite sex. Close enough

[Weltall Elite]

Man... I could give you hundreds of counterpoints to your arguement, but your perspectives are so twisted, they aren't even worth debating. I wouldn't even say they were superficial. It's just plain misinformation.

[KiLlEr]

>>1) Minmay is very selfish, Kaname is not at all.

Oh come on, she always wants attention from Sagara and wants someone to look after her when everyones busy fighting to the death. ( TSR was a prime example especially )

Kaname wants Souske's attention because she loves him. Minmay wants EVERYONE's attention and will do anything to get it. When she see's that she's loosing Rick, she wants him not because she loves him, but because she dosn't want anyone NOT to love her.

Robotech:The Sentinels Script Mega Spoiler:
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When Minmay gets involved with Col. Edwards she actually talks Rick out of killing him saying "Everyone keeps taking my loved one away from me", even though Edwards was working with the enemy trying to undermine the whole REF mission, just because Rick was leading it. AND MINMAY KNEW THIS.
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>>2) Minmay wants to be a star and be adored by everyone. Nope not Kaname.

In a way Kaname wants to be a star, I mean why else is she the student president counciler whatever thingy? Kids don't join that for their own sake

Shes the class V.P. a position which:
a) nobody wants.
b) people are elected to
c) needs a take charge attitude, and is a position in which you help others. Minmay is anything but. After all, with humanities life in the balance she was agruing against singing and takes all of Hikaru's (Rick)'s efforts to convince her. She does not "step up to the plate" as Kaname does.

>>3) Minmay is, quite simply put, a whore. She just wants someone to love her towards the end.

And what is Kaname? Heck as far as I'm concerned, the only differance between Minmay and Kaname is, Minmay is sweet acting and doesn't beat the crap out of Rick after he saves her life.

Kaname does *not* date people. Not the attitude of a whore. Remember, Minmay marries her own cousin.

Misa Hayase (Lisa Hayes) Compared to Tessa?
>>1) There is a LARGE diffence in age (Misa was in her twenties), which brings alot more baggage into play.

20s.....16.....meh not much differance

Oh there's ALOT of difference (she was nearly 10 years older than Rick, which makes her about 25-26, yes she was a bit of a cradle robber). Lisa/Misa is a mature adult, Tessa is not.

>>Er well Tessa lost her brother at a early age...could be considered the love of her life.... ( heck look at all the inappropriately positioned pictures of her and her brother at Jaes gallery )

He's not dead.... and she knows it.

>>>Hikaru Ichiho (Rick Hunter) Compared to Sousuke Sagara. 2 completely different people here.

I don't necessarily think so. Both are very dedicated in their work ( once Rick started doing it at least ) and are kinda doofuses when it comes to social interaction with the opposite sex. Close enough

Hikaru -
- Brought up in a loving home by his parents (to a point), Aunt and Uncle
- Ace pilot flying in an airshow, never killed anyone in his life until he accidentally got sent up in a fighter. Was horrified after the fact.

He's not a doofus in relationships:
- He did try to Kiss Minmay when they were lost in the SDF-1
- He did kiss her towards the end
- He tries to get her a present for her bday, runs out of time, but gives her
his medal instead.

Sosuke -
- Grows up in a war zone, kills as easily as breathing
- never had a relationship beyond a "professional merc"
- Doesn't know what a kiss is
- brought up by mercs

I can go on forever.

[Weltall Elite]

- Grows up in a war zone, kills as easily as breathing

Well... I wouldn't go THAT far...

[KiLlEr]

I was refering to the beginning of each series.

Sousuke becomes less of the "cold heartless killer" type as the story progresses. For Rick, it was going the other direction. They both meet in the "I will kill if I'm forced to" region, but they don't meet at the same point, since they're history is opposite of each other. Sousuke becomes less military, Rick become more military (but not near as extream).

[KashimArbalestAS]

I don't know about Sousuke "becoming less" military, just finds out more about humanity. Still has what it takes to kill all in his path if needed. I don't know anything about Macross, but good job on clearing up the FMP! part of it.

[Tessashairisblacktech]

I'd like to see Clouseaux (I'm pretty iffy on the guy's name, alright? >_>) fight Linn Kyle though. Just hand-to-hand.

And... while I can see the Lisa/Tessa comparison okay, I agree with most of the counterpoints brought up to Sousuke/Rick and Minmay/Kaname. Their personalities are just not the similar.

[Shewolf of Ga]

Perhaps it's just me, but IMO, these two series are NOTHING alike. Except that they have mecha.

[Weltall Elite]

And perhaps the existence of a love triangle. And the fact that both were made in Japan. I'd say that narrows it down to about four or five... thousand shows.