Weapons Info

[Katyusha]

Thanks. No problem on the questions. I have 3 volumes of "Jane's All the World's Aircraft", 2 of "Jane's All the World's Fighting Ships", and 1 each of "Jane's Weapons Recognition guide" and "Jane's All the world's Armored Fighting Vehicles" (you asked for the titles), so feel free to ask away. If I can't find it in there, I know all sorts of places to look it up. As for the title, I feel honored. It's pretty hard to find someone else who find Military technology interesting. Oh, and I found the specs on the Ticonderoga class (The ship Gaulun launched the 2 RGM-84s at)

General Characteristics, Ticonderoga Class
Builders:
Ingalls Shipbuilding: CG 47-50, CG 52-57, 59, 62, 65-66, 68-69, 71-73
Bath Iron Works: CG 51, 58, 60-61, 63-64, 67, 70.
Power Plant:4 General Electric LM 2500 gas turbine engines; 2 shafts, 80,000 shaft horsepower total.
SPY-1 Radar and Combat System Integrator: Lockheed Martin.
Length: 567 feet
Beam: 55 feet
Displacement: 9,600 tons (9,754.06 metric tons) full load
Speed: 30 plus knots (30 standard, 40 full, 51 flank)
Aircraft: Two SH-2 Seasprite (LAMPS) in CG 47-48; Two SH-60 Sea Hawk (LAMPS III)
Cost: About $1 billion each
Crew: 24 Officers, 340 Enlisted
Armament: MK26 missile launcher (CG 47 thru CG 51) Standard Missile (MR) or MK41 vertical launching system (CG 52 thru CG 73) Standard Missile (MR); Vertical Launch ASROC (VLA) Missile; Tomahawk Cruise Missile; Six MK-46 torpedoes (from two triple mounts); Two MK 45 5-inch/54 caliber lightweight guns; Two Phalanx close-in-weapons systems
Date Deployed: 22 January 1983 (USS Ticonderoga)
Ships of this class:
USS Ticonderoga (CG 47), Pascagoula, Miss.
USS Yorktown (CG 48), Pascagoula, Miss.
USS Vincennes (CG 49), Yokosuka, Japan
USS Valley Forge (CG 50), San Diego, Calif.
USS Thomas S. Gates (CG 51), Pascagoula, Miss.
USS Bunker Hill (CG 52), San Diego, Calif.
USS Mobile Bay (CG 53), San Diego, Calif.
USS Antietam (CG 54), San Diego, Calif.
USS Leyte Gulf (CG 55), Norfolk, Va.
USS San Jacinto (CG 56), Norfolk, Va.
USS Lake Champlain (CG 57), San Diego, Calif.
USS Philippine Sea (CG 58), Mayport, Fla.
USS Princeton (CG 59), San Diego, Calif.
USS Normandy (CG 60), Norfolk, Va.
USS Monterey (CG 61), Norfolk, Va.
USS Chancellorsville (CG 62), Yokosuka, Japan
USS Cowpens (CG 63), Yokosuka, Japan
USS Gettysburg (CG 64), Mayport, Fla.
USS Chosin (CG 65), Pearl Harbor, HI
USS Hue City (CG 66), Mayport, Fla.
USS Shiloh (CG 67), San Diego, Calif.
USS Anzio (CG 68), Norfolk, Va.
USS Vicksburg (CG 69), Mayport, Fla.
USS Lake Erie (CG 70), Pearl Harbor, HI
USS Cape St. George (CG 71), Norfolk, Va.
USS Vella Gulf (CG 72), Norfolk, Va.
USS Port Royal (CG 73), Pearl Harbor, HI

[Katyusha]

Okay, did some looking around and found the specs on Harrier (The fighter Aircraft that the Danaan had onboard, but never seemed to use).



AV-8B Harrier II

Primary function: Attack and destroy surface targets under day and night visual conditions.
Manufacturer: McDonnell Douglas
Propulsion: One Rolls Royce F402-RR-406 or F402-RR-408 turbofan engine
Thrust:
F402-RR-406: 21,500 pounds
F402-44-208: 23,400 pounds
Length: 46.3 feet (14.11 meters)
Wing span: 30.3 feet (9.24 meters)
Cruise speed: Subsonic to transonic
Ferry range: 2100 nautical miles (2416.64 miles)
Combat radius:
close air support: 163 nautical miles (187.45 miles) with 30 minutes time on station
interdiction: 454 nautical miles (522.45 miles)
Armament: Seven external store stations, comprising six wing stations for AIM-9 Sidewinder and an assortment of air-to-ground weapons, external fuel tanks and AGM-65 Maverick missiles; one centerline station for DECM pod or air-to-ground ordnance. A GAU-12 25MM six-barrel gun pod can be mounted on the centerline and has a 300 round capacity with a lead computing optical sight system (LCOSS) gunsight.
Crew: 1
Introduction date: 12 January 1985, AV-8BII(Plus) introduced in June 1993
Unit Replacement Cost: $23,700,000

Mission: The mission of the VMA STOVL squadron is to attack and destroy surface and air targets, to escort helicopters, and to conduct other such air operations as may be directed. Specific tasks of the AV-8B HARRIER II include:
- Conduct close air support using conventional and specific weapons.
- Conduct deep air support, to include armed reconnaissance and air interdiction, using conventional and specific weapons.
- Conduct offensive and defensive antiair warfare. This includes combat air patrol, armed escort missions, and offensive missions against enemy ground-to-air defenses, all within the capabilities of the aircraft.
- Be able to operate and deliver ordnance at night and to operate under instrument flight conditions.
- Be able to deploy for extended operations employing aerial refueling.
- Be able to deploy to and operate from carriers and other suitable seagoing platforms, advanced bases, expeditionary airfields, and remote tactical landing sites.

Features: The AV-8B V/STOL strike aircraft was designed to replace the AV-8A and the A-4M light attack aircraft. The Marine Corps requirement for a V/STOL light attack force has been well documented since the late 1950's. Combining tactical mobility, responsiveness, reduced operating cost and basing flexibility, both afloat and ashore, V/STOL aircraft are particularly well-suited to the special combat and expeditionary requirements of the Marine Corps. The AV-8BII+ features the APG-65 Radar common to the F/A-18, as well as all previous systems and features common to the AV-8BII.

Marine Inventory: 7 squadrons with 20 aircraft each and 1 training squadron with 20 AV-8B and 15 TAV-8B aircraft for a total 175 aircraft.

Background: Operation Desert Storm in 1991 was highlighted by expeditionary air operations performed by the AV-8B. The Harrier II was the first Marine Corps tactical strike platform to arrive in theater, and subsequently operated from various basing postures. Three squadrons, totaling 60 aircraft, and one six-aircraft detachment operated ashore from an expeditionary airfield, while one squadron of 20 aircraft operated from a sea platform. During the ground war, AV-8Bs were based as close as 35 nautical miles (40.22 miles) from the Kuwait border, making them the most forward deployed tactical strike aircraft in theater. The AV-8B flew 3,380 sorties for a total of 4,083 flight hours while maintaining a mission capable rate in excess of 90%. Average turnaround time during the ground war surge rate flight operations was 23 minutes.

[HELLFIRE]

Nice to know a few ppl are into military stuff 'sides me *hehe*

Just to add:
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S87, HMS Turbulent
British Trafalgar class SSN, incl.: S92 Talent, S88 Tireless, S90 Torbay, S107 Trafalgar, S91 Trenchant, S93 Triumph
Builders: V : Vickers, Barrow, United Kingdom
Dimensions: 280' x 33' x 27' / 85.40m x 10.10m x 8.20m
Displacement: 4800 tons surfaced / 5300 tons dived
Complement: 12 + 85
Armament: 5 x 21"/533mm bow torpedo tubes
A total of 20 weapons could be carried. Torpedoes were Mk24 Tigerfish, and one SubHarpoon SLCM could be carried per torpedo space. Two Stonefish or Sea Urchin mines could be carried per torpedo space.
Powerplant: One Rolls Royce PWR1 nuclear reactor was fitted, driving two GEC steam turbines producing a total of 15000shp and driving one pumpjet. Maximum speed was 20kts surfaced and 28kts dived. A Paxman diesel generator is also fitted. A Paxman diesel generator is also fitted.
Radar: Type 1007 navigation
Sonar: Type 2020 bow, Type 2007 flank mounted, Type 2019 PARIS intercept, Type 2026 towed array
Other: DCB AIO / fire control
Miscellaneous: Two SSE Mk6 decoy launchers are fitted with Type 2066 and Type 2071 decoys.

addenum to Harpoon data:
BOL (Bearing Only Launch) mode, mode of Harpoon in which the (general) direction of your target is known, but not the range

addenum to Mk48 data:
can be preset to not go above or below a certain depth before launch

C-17 Globemaster III
Mfg: Mcdonnell Douglas
crew: pilot, copilot, loadmaster + 102 paratroopers
weight, empty: 269,363lb/122,181kg
max payload: 167,000lb/75,750kg
gross takeoff: 580,000lb/263,084kg
wingspan: 165ft/50.29m
length: 175ft 2"/53.39m
height: 55ft 1"/16.79m
cargo hold volume: 20,900ft^3/592m^3

MiG-21 'Fishbed'/J-7 (Chinese designation)
Standard Soviet intercept fighter, circa 60's - 70's
armed typically w/ 1 or 2 30mm cannon (depending on avionic fit)
and 2 or 4 AA-2 'Atoll' heat seeking missiles -- later models can use the radar guided version of this missile

'Prairie/Masker' system:
Usually for surface ships -- unknown whether fitted on US SSNs --
to defeat sub sonars. Masker consists of two metallic bands that
generate a stream of bubbles around the hull. Prairie does the same
for a ship's propellers.

HALO (High Altitude/Low Opening) jump
knowing Sagara's penchant for security, this is probably how he got
Chidori to the Danna. A plane comes in at 20,000ft to avoid radar,
with the jumper's parachute rigged to open at 1,000ft. Skydiving
and freefall techniques are used to guide one's self -- Sagara was
going on with the jump guy about the time.
Also would explain why Chidori was so pissed at the end -- ppl who
have skydived probably can attest to this



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Any other stuff we didn't cover yet?

[Taurec]

Wheeeeee another one ...

[Katyusha]

You forgot to mention the Spearfish torpedo on the Trafalgar class. Gawd that thing was fast. Last I heard, it could go 60-70 knots on max power... enough to make even an Politovsky (Alpha) class look slow...

Oh, and the complete specs on the MiG-21 "Fishbed/ J-7 "Mongol

Name: Mikoyan MiG-21/ Chengdu J-7

Nato Reporting names: Fishbed and Mongol

Design Programme: Development began to meet Autumn 1953 official requirements for short range intercepter; tailed delta configuration selected for production in late 1956 after testing of prototypes with swept and delta wings. Ye-6 prototypes flew late 1957, designated Mikoyan type 21. MiG-21 production authorised 1958 and deliveries began later that year. Production continues in China by Chengdu Aircraft corp and Guizhou Aviation Industries.

Design Features: Dimunitive tailed delta with clipped tips to mid-mounted wings; circular section fuselage with prominent dorsal spine; nose intake with large 3 postion centrebody; swept tail with large vertical surfaces and ventral fin; 2 degree wing anhedral from root; no wing leading-edge camber

Flying Controls: Manual operation with autostab in pitch and roll, hydraulically boosted inset ailerons, brown plain trailing-edge flaps that are actuated hydraulically, hinged door-type airbrakes on each side of the under fuselage below the wing lead-edge, hydraulically boosted rudder and all-moving horizontal surface with 2 gearing ratios for varying combinations of altitude and airspeed.

Structure: All metal construction. Wings have 2 primary spars and an auxilary spar. Semi monocoque fuselage with spine housinb the control pushrods, avionivs, single-pount refuealing cap/strobe (depending on model) and fuel tank.

Landing Gear: Hydraulically retracted tricycle tyoe with single wheel on each unit.

Power Plant (Engine): 1 Tumansky R-13-300 turbojet rated at 41.55 kN dry and 64.73 kN afterburning. Fuel tank accomodation in fuselage, and 2 integral tanks on each wing, total capacity is 2600 litres. 2 jetisonable JATO rockets can be futted under rear fuselage for rocket-assisted take-off.

Accomodation: Pilot only on a zero/zero ejection seat. Canopy is hinged sideways to starboard. Flat, bullet-proof window screen rated at level III. Cabin is air-conditioned.

Avionics: Jaybird radar with a range of 10.8 nm. Other systems include VOR, ARK radio-compass, IFF, Sirena 3 RWS and gyro-gunsight.

Armament: 1 twin-barrel 23mm GSh-23 with 200 rounds or 1 single-barrel 31mm GSh-31 with 150 rounds, depending on variant. 4 Under-wing pylons for weapons or external tanks. Typical weapons carried for intercept role are AA-2D (K-13D) "Atoll" IR air-to-air missiles, AA-2C SARH air-to-air missiles. Ground attack capability, with load-outs including UV-16-57 rocket packs, FAB-250 and FAB-500 bombs and S-24 Air-to-surface rockets.

Dimentions (for MiG-21F) :
Wing Span: 7.15m
Length: 15.76m (including boom), 12.30 m(excluding boom)
Height overall: 4.10m

Weights and Loadings:
Weight Empty: 5843kg
T-O weight (intercept role): 8300kg
MAX-TO Weight: 9800kg
Max. wing loadingL 426kg

Performance (MiG-21F):
Max Level speed (above 11000m): Apx. Mach 2.05
Max Level Speed (Low Altitude): Mach 1.06
Landing Speed: 146 knots
Design ceiling: 18000m
Range (internal fuel only): 593nm
Max Ferry Range (with 3 external tanks): 971nm




BTW, Welcome to the forums. Nice to meet someone else into this sort of thing...

[HELLFIRE]

@Taurec
I haven't even started to empty my head of relevant stuff to FMP *hehehe*

@Katyusha
Thx for the welcome

And yeah, that page I got the specs forgot the Spearfish.
60-70knts is my info too, but hitting one depends on what
range you've fired it from. The Mk 48 ADCAP can do 50-60
knts, yet the US Navy still didn't think it matched up.
And the Mk48 uses a monopropellant -- fuel and oxidizer in
one -- called 'Otto'

Thx for the add'n info on MiG-21. I was going with it was a J-7
'cuz in the anime they seemed to have the Chinese (PLA-AF)
Air Force symbol on them, that and the place Gaulin pointed to
on the map seems to make it jive that's where he headed.

BTW, Tico can do 50+?? Wow, oversized hihg seas speedboat.
Hope I find the keys in the ignition someday *LOL*

[Katyusha]

The Spearfish has decent warhead at least. Remember what the HMS Conqueror crew said about launching -37s at Belgranno (sp?)? They said the Tigerfish didn't have a big-enough warhead for the job (The bloody Mark-50 has a bigger warhead.).

Besides, considering the old tradition of getting as close as possible before launch, I'm pretty sure Alphas don't have too much of a chance evading one. Last check said 59 knots on the Alpha's flank speed.

BTW, we *STILL* havn't decided which variant Hind was shown in the first ep, care to join the argument?

Oh, and on the Tico, to reach 50+ knots requires absolute maximum engine power, and there are reasons why flank speed isn't used all that often...

[HELLFIRE]

I got conflicting info on what the Conquerer launched during
the Falklands War. A BBC docu said they launched 2x Tigerfishes
while Tom Clancy's non-fic 'Submarine' and a TLC submarine
program said they used old WW2 Mk8 straight-runners. Either
way you cut it that much explosive, between 400lb (Tigers) to
maybe 1200lbs (Mk8s) total, ruins your whole day *hehehe*

The Mk50 packs as much explosive as the old Mk46s, 96 - 100lbs
They're peashooters compared to Sov sub hulls using double-hull
construction. Argh!

Fastest sub I know of is the Papa, which clocked 45 to 50knts on
trials, Alphas were rated at like 43knts. Jane's re-rate the flank
eval on the Alphas recently?

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Rewatched the 1st ep, and I can't tell which mod the Hind is.
I can tell it has the 4barrel 23mm cannon, but doesn't give very
good details on the stub-wing armament.

[Katyusha]

Yeah... some sources say they fired Mk8s, some say Mk37s, and others say the Tigerfish. I went to that Royal Navy base in Scottland (forgot where exactly) a few years back and asked about the ships. They say the Tigerfish would have been a decent torp had it not had such a lousy little warhead.

The Papa... I havn't heard from her in awhile. Pretty damn fast for a sub. They put the Alpha with the new refits through a few trials 3 years ago, clocked at 59 at flank, though they say the screws were pretty beat after the month-long test phase was done.

As for the Hind's wingstubs, we're not sure about it yet either. Looks most like an AT-6 to me, but like what Taurec said earlier, she's a radio-homer, not a wire-guide. AT-5 is possible, but she's not loaded aboard a Hind. Thought you might have some fresh input.

[SagaraSousuke]

O.O Welcome to HELLFIRE! Happy staying!

Dang.. another military otaku huh? hehehe... gives Kat some more fun to argue about specs and whatnot. Lolz. And I suppose, another addition to the ever-growing male dominance in this forum^^;

*sigh* And as much as I'd like to understand what the hell you guys are arguing over about specific specs - I am next to clueless. But go on Helps your military knowledge^^

[HELLFIRE]

@SagaraSouske *bows* thanx, I try

@Katyusha
Well, they have to give that the Tigerfish packs a bigger punch
than the Mk46/50, then again, no comparison. One's sub launched
and the other's airdropped.

Can see why the Americans STILL wanted to improve ADCAP
if the screws could take a month's punishment @ 60knts.

I agree that the missiles could be AT-2s, AT-5s or AT-6's.
I'll hunt up some pics and see if any frames in the anime gives
a clear enough perspective to tell them apart.

--feels military otaku-side coming up again --
Some more info I've been digging around for:


Musashi, Japanese WW2 battleship, Yamato-class
L: 862' 9"
B: 121'
D: 68,010 - 71,659tons
S: 27knts
Original armament: 9x 18.1" (45,000yds max), 12x 6.1", 12x 5", 24x 25mm, 4x 13.2mm
Armor: 16.1" belt, 7.9" - 9.1" deck, 7.6" - 25.6" turrents
hailed as the strongest and most powerful battleships of WW2, Musashi
was sunk in ~1944 prior to the Battle of Leyte Gulf to ~20 torps and 17 bombs

'on patrol' or 'on eternal patrol'
Naval honorific for submarine/submariner MIA or KIA

Dannna's baffle maneuver
Little nitpick, but I don't think ANY submariner in their right mind
would tail another sub at that range. See the movie, Hunt for Red
October: "Catch is this boat doesn't stop on a dime, and if we're too
close we'll hit him"

add'n Glock info
not sure if it's all models of Glocks, but they use a porcelin <sp?>
body construction with a steel barrel and slide

ESM
Electronic Support/Surveillance Measures. Term for gear on a
ship or plane that detects radio/electronic emissions

Naval Institute Press
Naval/Military publishing house in Annapolis

hollow point rounds
aka controlled expansion rounds
I'm not sure if they're completely hollow or semi-solid, but on
impact they make a hell of a mess either way.

add'n TLAM info
DSMAC: Digital Scene Matching, a digital camera with low-light
strobe that compares what it actually sees with a stored image
of the expected target (Block IIA - III missiles)
TERCOM: TERrain COntour Matching, system that matches the terrain
below with data from pre-surveyed strips of land stored in memory
(all Blocks)

Danna can't survive 1500ft
don't know what her hull is made of, but US HY-80 steel is rated
at like 1,000-1,200ft crush depth, and the titanium hulls of the
Alphas were credited with 2,000ft+

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just felt like sharing

[Nazgul]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! To much input. We've got an other tech nutter.
At least tell me you aren't a Filipino

[Taurec]

@Musashi, Japanese WW2 battleship, Yamato-class
L: 862' 9"
B: 121'
D: 68,010 - 71,659tons
S: 27knts
Original armament: 9x 18.1" (45,000yds max), 12x 6.1", 12x 5", 24x 25mm, 4x 13.2mm
Armor: 16.1" belt, 7.9" - 9.1" deck, 7.6" - 25.6" turrents
hailed as the strongest and most powerful battleships of WW2, Musashi
was sunk in ~1944 prior to the Battle of Leyte Gulf to ~20 torps and 17 bombs

It's great to have another gun bunny, but please note .. this thread suppose to contain info about weapons used in the series..

And i'm pretty sure there wasn't a Yamato class Battleship in the series

Please start another "Great Battleship's" thread in OT

[Katyusha]

Ah yes, the Musashi... I think I have a pic of her lying around someplace. The massive air-raid against her was probably the TBD-1's only real success....


On the "On patrol" line... wasn't it used on combat vessels in general (Sub & surface)?


The Glocks - not all Glock models use that method of construction. Some use fibreglass and carbon-steel.


The Danaan's manouever to avoid the torps - The Emergency blow there can be considered both insane and brilliant. Another major problem the Americans have with their Mk48 torpedo is it's inability to properly track stationary surface targets, as well as the safety systems on board. To avoid accidentally blowing up friendly surface ships in the area, the default settings of a -48 include NOT letting the torpedo go above 200 feet, unless it's rigged for Surface-ship attack.... then again, a Harpoon would likely work better... and you don't have to close in so much.


On HY-80 steel: I thought the last test rated it at 1'400 ft, with 1'600 being absolute crush depth. And yeah, the Alpha sure can go hell deep...


The Hollow-point round - Actually the tip is hollowed out, the rear is mostly solid. The Hydra HP rounds are particularly nasty.

EDIT: Taurec - if I remember right, Weber asked Mao if she ever read "Miyamoto Musashi". Mao replied "The Name of a Battleship right?" or something to that end.

[Taurec]

Oooh okies gomen ne .. but ya get my idea..

*drops* and does 50