So did Gauron actually love Kashim?

Charles Phipps · Post by **Charles Phipps** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:46 pm

A little odd question about the dub. I haven't yet watched the japanese version of those episodes. It adds a curious twist to their already twisted relationship.

Dannan · Post by **Dannan** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:58 pm

lol IMHO I actually think he did, in a twisted way... after all the media I've read n seen. from when they met G had felt a little drawn to S, a curiousity as it started... and it grew from there... or am I completely wrong?

Charles Phipps · Post by **Charles Phipps** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:00 pm

I think Gauron required someone who was his equal in order to relate to and his life was so filled with violence that there was no one he could relate to at all.

It's a pity we didn't get more of his background, I bet we would have seen he was remarkably similiar to Sosuke in history

Post by **Taurec** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:40 pm

Some of us think it was an attempt to confuse Sousuke...

But yeah Gauron could use a little more background information.

Charles Phipps · Post by **Charles Phipps** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:11 pm

yes but he was dying at the time! Rather odd time to mess with Sosuke's head

Kelek · Post by **Kelek** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:27 pm

Welcome to the forums, CP.

Does Gaulun really love Sousuke...?

I think if they weren't mutual enemies, they'd get along
pretty well, and they both realize it but Sousuke denies
their "connection" and Gaulun uses this fact against him.
Perhaps he's exaggerrating that knowledge by saying "I
love you, Kashim," and flaunting it in Sousuke's face.
"Kashim" would remind him of his previous life, which he,
in general, disliked, and the "I love you" part would
remind him of the bond the two had before. I don't think
Gaulun actually means to say he loves Sousuke, and
especially not romantically, but, again, he's most likely
saying that to piss Sousuke off.

By their "connection," I mean that Gaulun and Sousuke
are actually closer to each other than Sousuke would
like. Only Gaulun and Kalinin know Sousuke's older
name, Kashim, and what his life was like before he
joined Mithril. Along the way, Gaulun and Sousuke
became enemies.

It's be extremely useful to read this if you haven't already.
It's part of the FMP novels and it finally gives a lot of
background on Gaulun and Sousuke's relationship. This
post might not be clear or make a lot of sense if you
haven't heard about how their relationship was like.

Hope I helped with answering your question.

Charles Phipps · Post by **Charles Phipps** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:17 pm

Is there a place to get the translated novels?

(kinda like fansubs)

Kelek · Post by **Kelek** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:20 pm

Rules, rules--am I allowed to say that here?
(Probably not.)

@ CP: I'm going to PM you about that.

EDIT: Sent.

Jae · Post by **Jae** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:30 pm

Normally would be the best guess

Here's the original thread about the translations- since this is so important to FMP and nobody has announced any intent to commercially translate them the link is okay

Kelek · Post by **Kelek** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:31 pm

Didn't want to go OT. 'K, then.

Genocide · Post by **Genocide** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:42 pm

Gauron wanted to GET IT ON. Look at how he was hugging Souske so tightly at the end of the series. Goodbye Kaname, hello Gauron! But seriously I think what Gauron meant bye saying "I love you" is that he loved messing with Souske. Like Souske was his play toy.

Teletha Testarosa · Post by **Teletha Testarosa** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:27 pm

I agree with Tau

Probaly said that to screw Kashim's head up a bit.

Or just joking

Sgt. Sagara Sousuke · Post by **Sgt. Sagara Sousuke** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:11 am

I think what G was trying to say is that he could relate to Kashim. He saying that he and Kashim (not Sousuke) are sorta the same kind: they'd kill without blinking an eye, human life was worth nothing to them. [edit](From novel)[edit]. But at that time, I think he was trying to mess with Sousuke's head as well as remind him that they shared a "bond"...

Just my 2 cents

RussianFox · Post by **RussianFox** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:13 am

i haven't seen a bit of any such relationship from the series.

where the heck did you gues thought of it?

LambaDriver · Post by **LambaDriver** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:25 am

I doubt Gauron would waste his and Sousuke's last seconds screwing with his head... For a typical bad-guy like him, the final words are meant to be poignant.
I really do think that Gauron loved Kashim, in his own way. Not parental, nor romantic, or anything that could be put under a label.
Throughout the series, he showed himself as a real bad-ass. In like every scene with him and his "associates" he shoots one person or other. He dismisses everyone as little cockroaches, I would say. But he really seems to identify with Sousuke. He does have some sort of emotion for him, quite different from his blase manner with others. Kashim is probably the only person he's genuinly looked on as an equal and fellow human--this is the closest Gauron knows to "love".
Did what I say make any sense? It sounds good in my head...

FullMetal*Panic!

So did Gauron actually love Kashim?

So did Gauron actually love Kashim?

I agree

hmmmm

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